Roger, usually I really agree with everything you say but it’s clear you’ve never had a relative or a good friend who’s slipped into a near comatose state after years of smoking pot. You’ve never had a daughter who’s had two psychotic episodes two years apart from smoking, Delta eight. You must not be smelling skunk weed every time you go for a walk in your local urban area. Now it’s possible that regulations investment and research can separate out the good from the bad with marijuana, but having been around it, having smoked it, and having known people who smoked it all their lives, I can only say that if this becomes a national drug of choice, our GDP will suffer. While I agree, it has real benefits for medical use, I doubt that widespread use would be a benefit to the United States of America.
May I ask if your 2 children also consumed alcohol or other drugs, along with the marijuana? Marijuana alone does not cause such problems. To be honest, I am a 66-year-old female who has been smoking marijuana since I was 18 years old. I have literally known hundreds of people who smoke on a regular basis and none of them are psychotic or comatose. I am the healthiest person I know, and I am on no medications and have never been, other than birth control, which I stopped taking because I had a lot of side effects from it. I also smoke cigarettes and when I get my yearly chest Xray, the doctor always says, "Your lungs look really good for a smoker. " I'm sorry to say this but your children were doing a lot more than marijuana to have those experiences.
While the first temptation is to offer a well-justified but still stereotypical characterization of habitual marijuana users, I just wanted to point out that people suffering from the behavioral changes normally seen in THC users are usually the last to realize or accept that those changes are real and present in their lives.
It's not just the sea-change in behavior between sobriety and dosage-induced impairment/intoxication. It's the damage to the kidneys, liver, brain cells, central nervous system and other organs and tissues throughout the body, and these are well-documented. Such damages can be long lasting.
The impairment issue is very similar to that of alcohol, which, yes, should be regulated and WAS regulated until the criminal underground exploited the established demand and created even more chaos than the drug itself had caused. It is still a dangerous and addictive drug with more legitimate and productive pharmaceutical and industrial uses.
Cannabis meets those terms as well, societally dangerous in unregulated use but very useful in pharmaceutical and industrial applications.
The exposure issue is paramount. THC is generally delivered by smoke or vapor, which cannot be confined to the consensual user and often affects non-consenting third parties.
The proliferation is also an issue, as its users, even while it is illegal, tend to lace common party pastries with it just for the thrill of hooking other people on their drug of choice (again, don't bother saying it's non-addictive).
Then there is the rationalization that typically comes with drug addiction. There is the tendency to credit the drug with all things enjoyable and beneficial, deny/downplay the known adverse effects and blame the problems caused by those very real adverse effects on anything and everything but that drug of choice.
Cannabis, by your comments here, appears to be your drug of choice, and your content clearly identifies you as a long-term addicted user who wants to proliferate that usage and addiction.
As with anything, moderation is the key. Too much fruit can make your teeth fall out prematurely. I use marijuana in moderation. I have sleep issues from time to time, that are managed with cannabis instead of pharmaceutical or over the counter medications, that also have many side effects and are addictive as well. I can go weeks without because I only use it when I need it. Just like using pharmaceutical drugs for recreational purposes is bad and leads to addiction, recreational marijuana use, or persistent marijuana use, can lead to many problems, not just physically or mentally.
Now those who sit around all day, every day, for years and years using marijuana will have issues later in life. Thise who mix it with other drugs or alcohol are just asking for trouble. Also, obese people cost the healthcare system more money than any other malady. Should we regulate food itself because of this? No. We show people how to manage it, just like anything. But now, instead of suggesting these people eat a sensible diet and moderately exercise, they give them Ozempic. Loss of eyesight is one of the side effects of Ozempic. Why?
Marijuana should absolutely be used in pharmaceutical and industrial uses but that is being restricted because of it being in the same class as heroin, which most would agree should definitely be illegal. As far as being addictive, I believe it is not addictive in the sense that your body needs it, and one will suffer withdrawal symptoms without it. I have read a few papers about it in the past. People tend to have moodiness or sleeplessness because the marijuana is no longer helping them sleep or helping their mood. But that is generally all that happens when one uses for a long time and stops. No shakes, no fever, no vomiting, no cold sweats. No death. None of that. When I weigh all of my choices, I choose the most natural choice. Especially with food and drugs.
The foods we eat are worse than the marijuana we smoke. It's full of synthetic compounds, artificial colors and flavors, and highly processed sugars and fats. Obesity is at an epidemic proportion, using a majority of our healthcare resources and public medical funding. Yet the debate surrounding this is that body shaming is a crime and humiliates the person. The obese person should be mad as hell at their doctors for letting them get to a point where there are now 800-pound women becoming famous, simply because they are 800 pounds, shown to the world like an old circus freak, with all of the maladies you mentioned above that are supposedly from marijuana use.
Pharmaceutical drugs have side effects that include everything from dizziness and nausea to cancer, immune diseases, loss of eyesight, muscle palsies, rare and fatal diseases, sudden death. and full organ shutdown, also known as sepsis.
I would much rather take a few puffs of marijuana to sleep at night than risk the pharmaceutical drugs. Nor do I trust the doctors who prescribe them. The medical field is nothing more than a glorified dealer for the pharmaceutical companies. If there is not a drug that works for what you have, they don't know what to do and won't even try. I have directly seen the decline of this profession and artform and watched as it turned into an industry. The industry of the lifelong patient. Held to their doctor by the prescriptions they need them to fill.
Let's also not forget, it will be restricted. No driving while using, no working while using, no smoking in public areas, just like any other drug, alcohol or cigarette. But apparently it is ok to drive while on many opiates, as long as you have a prescription for it. And I fully disagree with that. Most prescriptions will say right on the bottle "Do not drive or operate machinery until you are aware fo the effects of this drug". In other words, do what you want when you think you can handle it, leaving it up to the patient to decide if he can drive or handle heavy machinery. And apparently, the doctors and cops agree. But yeah. marijuana is the devils weed.
EDIT: (to that point, your original reply referred to “the marijuana we smoke” )
You have edited your entire reply in response to my reply, so that my reply no longer appears to be a reply and your reply is cleaned up from the points I raised. The normal practice is to stop editing except NOTED edits once replies are posted and instead post your replies as replies instead of editing your comment to make my reply obsolete.
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You assert that YOU do, and the "WE" is just another addict behavior, validating yourself by conflation of nebulous numbers of people.
Second, any smoking you do carries a majority of the same risks as tobacco smoking, except there are not as many toxic chemicals if you are using naturally-cured product. It's not a normal function of human life and isn't an indispensible activity unless you are an addict and can't quit.
Third, I have known MANY pot-smokers (yes, the derogatory term, pot ... that's what it is), and all of them insist they are not smoking to get high, but all of them get "buzzed" out of their minds and do really stupid things. This includes a lot of "medicinal" marijuana users.
Further, the THC from POT smoking DOES diminish your CNS and cerebrospinal tissues and damage your kidneys from the onset, and it damages your other organs and tissues more slowly over time, but I suppose if you are addicted to it, you will tolerate those effects for the ones you are seeking in using it. You can look at a person's skin and listen to his/her speech and identify whether that person is a habitual THC user, be it in pills, foods or smoking, but that wouldn't bother an addict as long as he can get his drug.
Your point about driving on opiates assumes that people do that.
You list all these effects for pharmaceutical drugs but you are cherry-picking, while I am pointing out things that THC is shown to cause and that I have seen across the board in people I know who use it.
You use the ad-absurdam example of an 800-pound patient ... How many of those are there, I wonder... I did find ONE in a web search ... out of eight billion people alive today, hardly fit for this discussion.
On the Ozempic issue ... 6% of adults in the USA, roughly 15 million adults, use Ozempic, and a total of SIX of them (6 out of 15,000,000, which amounts to 0.00004% of patients) lost their eyesight due to Ozempic. Again, cherry-picking.
You admit that long-term marijuana use has its detrimental effects over time but downplay it as though it were an essential part of life (another addict behavior).
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Again, you have modified your comment so as to make my reply obsolete.
I stand on my response, even though you have removed the portions of your comment to which I was responding.
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I would like to thank you for so squarely making my point by your responses and to encourage you to prove how unaddicted you are by stopping use of this dangerous drug. You won't because you are addicted to this "non-addictive" drug.
There is not just one health threat, just as there is neither just one cure nor just one approach to mitigation or eradication of risk.
Anyone who says otherwise, regardless of age, gender, religion, political affiliation or professional status, is a patent, deliberate liar and is not to be trusted under any circumstance in any matter whatsoever at any time.
Peter Giersch wrote mostly everything I was going to write except I would say widespread use will be the ruin of an entire generation maybe more of young people.
California legalized marijuana and declared itself a sanctuary state. In so doing the idiots in Sacramento put up a welcome sign for all criminals to see. And they came in droves. In my rural neighborhood marijuana grows sprang up like weeds. If you try to sleep with your bedroom window open, the smell of skunk permeates the bedroom but it isn't skunk, it is marijuana that stinks. Marijuana is a magnet from criminals no matter how "legal" it is. Legalizing marijuana is a mistake to be avoided.
I totally agree with Peter Giersch! There is no way the people, who voted for President Trump would want legal cannabis. This would be stab in the back to President Trump’s base.
I was a teenager during the sixties and I saw first hand the effects of marijuana on people, who used it. I remember the hippies walking around with their minds blown out, from marijuana use. I saw it destroy young peoples lives. The use of marijuana led the people, who used it to hard drug use.
Cannabis is a dangerous drug which will permanently harm fetuses and cause schizophrenia and bipolar disorder in 25% of users. It is addictive and makes people violent and causes anxiety and paranoia.
Mr Stone you are one of the few people who are in touch with the American public. And you are correct it does deserve to be studied and I believe that alcohol is more destructive on our society then cannabis. I would much rather see alcohol regulated as a controlled substance then I would cannabis. I know that there are cases out there where people have adverse effects and have their lives ruined but if you look at the science and the data alcohol is a lot more destructive than cannabis. Thank you for bringing this subject to the Forefront so it can get the attention that it deserves.
It is not good for families. Smoking cigarettes is bad for families too. It teaches kids that using a crutch to make you feel good is fine. Kids need parents who aren’t high or who rely on drugs to get through the day. Pot doesn’t make for a healthy society.
I love you, Roger, you’ve been through a lot, but this is not something that I will agree with you on ever. I have people very close to me who have trouble with drugs and the very first one was marijuana and it didn’t take more than a few months Before they tried other things. The only saving grace is that it was a few years before fentanyl became prevalent and so far they have survived. I hope you change your mind.
Roger I usually agree with you but you are 100% wrong that’s all we need is more people on drugs and that is what today’s marijuana is!! Do research so disappointed
The chat has proven you to be correct about the divide between people on this matter. I also noticed that those who opposed used a lot of hearsay and incorrect information to prove their side. No one has ever died or even had serious illness from marijuana. When fentanyl is legal and marijuana is not, something is wrong with the system. Marijuana poses a threat to them if they are in pain and sleep management especially. Why would a doctor choose to give a patient fentanyl but not allow them to have marijuana? Because you can't patent a plant and charge $500+ for a 1/4 ounce of it. If any doctor in America can prescribe fentanyl, but not marijuana, then that proves to me that our government is controlled by big pharma.
My best friend has post-polio syndrome and medical marijuana is the only way he can function and live a relatively normal life...he was one of the first to be granted it in Canada
I'm so glad he/she is able to have this. I know a couple of people with severe pain and sleeplessness because of the pain. They took all kinds of prescription sleeping pills and pain medications, all prescribed by doctors. They were literally unable to do anything but sleep or be in a stupor all day. Yes, marijuana gets you high also but not nearly to the extent of these pharma drugs. And it is not addictive and that has been proven but sleeping pills and pain meds are and are given out like candy without regard to any future problems from addiction. Then, when you ask that same doctor to help you quit taking them, they act like it is your fault that you are addicted and ignore you. Then they eventually get arrested when the doctor refuses to prescribe it anymore and the poor person tries to find it on the street. If you get too high from the meds you just have to ride it out, but if you smoke too much marijuana all you have to do is eat some food and it will end the high. It is the perfect drug you can grow in your own back yard and that is what big pharma has a problem with. How dare we treat ourselves with something that does not make us a patient for life. Keeping it illegal allows big pharma, doctors, hospitals and law enforcement to continue to make money from its illegality. They can't make money if you can treat yourself from your own backyard or get what you need at the local dispensary.
thank you so much for your comment...he has been using Medical Marijuana for several decades, he mostly smokes it at bedtime and he also has it in cookies and that kind of thing...I have never seen him high or stoned...it balances and smoothes him out...when my husband first got dementia, he tried a couple of different strains of marijuana, and for a time it helped him...where I live, the nearest town has 4 dispensaries...I've never seen people walking around stoned out of their heads, they use it for medical purposes and as an alternative to alcoholic beverages and hard drugs...the marijuana is organic and grown by people who really care about what they are doing...no pesticides or any of that garbage...plants are medicine and what the Big Pharma companies do is isolate what they think is the thing and get rid of the rest, but it doesn't work without the rest, you need the whole plant in most cases, and Chinese Traditional Medicine understands that...
Industrial Hemp…the material that used to make rope…contains negligible amounts of THC…the chemical that makes one “high”…and do stupid stuff along with a whole host of other terrible debilitating side effects. People can lie all they want to get what they want…the cognitive dissonance of this era is just staggering…but has always been, I suppose…sin…the flesh will do whatever it takes to get whatever it wants. Sorry, NOT SORRY on this one Roger!!!!!!! You’ve fallen for a lie if you believe that load of manure you just published. I say that respectfully but emphatically.
Cannabis is not harmless by any stretch of the imagination.
It is a powerful mood-altering intoxicant which adversely affects all organs of the body with prolonged use, more with intensity of dosage.
Its effects are long-term and not negligible.
Its usage in daily life creates problems similar to those caused by excessive alcohol consumption, including impaired driving and machine operation and behavioral changes which may be dangerous.
It is addictive.
Don't bother saying it's not because it is.
I have seen families destroyed by cannabis and its users.
Its production, proliferation and consumption are not segregated to the individual user, and those who do not wish to partake are subjected to it anyway in the same manner as tobacco.
Descheduling it is no wiser, no more productive, no more imperative with respect to liberty than descheduling ALL OTHER intoxicants, in fact it sets a dangerous precedent for doing so.
Our society will suffer greatly if it takes up this fools' errand you have embraced.
The smell of pot going down the interstate at 80+ around 6AM tells me we need law enforcement. Same goes for the city sidewalks any time of day. Parents with children in tow, stepping out of a car driven to the Family Dollar store. Come on man, it’s engulfing.
Roger, usually I really agree with everything you say but it’s clear you’ve never had a relative or a good friend who’s slipped into a near comatose state after years of smoking pot. You’ve never had a daughter who’s had two psychotic episodes two years apart from smoking, Delta eight. You must not be smelling skunk weed every time you go for a walk in your local urban area. Now it’s possible that regulations investment and research can separate out the good from the bad with marijuana, but having been around it, having smoked it, and having known people who smoked it all their lives, I can only say that if this becomes a national drug of choice, our GDP will suffer. While I agree, it has real benefits for medical use, I doubt that widespread use would be a benefit to the United States of America.
May I ask if your 2 children also consumed alcohol or other drugs, along with the marijuana? Marijuana alone does not cause such problems. To be honest, I am a 66-year-old female who has been smoking marijuana since I was 18 years old. I have literally known hundreds of people who smoke on a regular basis and none of them are psychotic or comatose. I am the healthiest person I know, and I am on no medications and have never been, other than birth control, which I stopped taking because I had a lot of side effects from it. I also smoke cigarettes and when I get my yearly chest Xray, the doctor always says, "Your lungs look really good for a smoker. " I'm sorry to say this but your children were doing a lot more than marijuana to have those experiences.
And possibly have preexisting family history
While the first temptation is to offer a well-justified but still stereotypical characterization of habitual marijuana users, I just wanted to point out that people suffering from the behavioral changes normally seen in THC users are usually the last to realize or accept that those changes are real and present in their lives.
It's not just the sea-change in behavior between sobriety and dosage-induced impairment/intoxication. It's the damage to the kidneys, liver, brain cells, central nervous system and other organs and tissues throughout the body, and these are well-documented. Such damages can be long lasting.
The impairment issue is very similar to that of alcohol, which, yes, should be regulated and WAS regulated until the criminal underground exploited the established demand and created even more chaos than the drug itself had caused. It is still a dangerous and addictive drug with more legitimate and productive pharmaceutical and industrial uses.
Cannabis meets those terms as well, societally dangerous in unregulated use but very useful in pharmaceutical and industrial applications.
The exposure issue is paramount. THC is generally delivered by smoke or vapor, which cannot be confined to the consensual user and often affects non-consenting third parties.
The proliferation is also an issue, as its users, even while it is illegal, tend to lace common party pastries with it just for the thrill of hooking other people on their drug of choice (again, don't bother saying it's non-addictive).
Then there is the rationalization that typically comes with drug addiction. There is the tendency to credit the drug with all things enjoyable and beneficial, deny/downplay the known adverse effects and blame the problems caused by those very real adverse effects on anything and everything but that drug of choice.
Cannabis, by your comments here, appears to be your drug of choice, and your content clearly identifies you as a long-term addicted user who wants to proliferate that usage and addiction.
As with anything, moderation is the key. Too much fruit can make your teeth fall out prematurely. I use marijuana in moderation. I have sleep issues from time to time, that are managed with cannabis instead of pharmaceutical or over the counter medications, that also have many side effects and are addictive as well. I can go weeks without because I only use it when I need it. Just like using pharmaceutical drugs for recreational purposes is bad and leads to addiction, recreational marijuana use, or persistent marijuana use, can lead to many problems, not just physically or mentally.
Now those who sit around all day, every day, for years and years using marijuana will have issues later in life. Thise who mix it with other drugs or alcohol are just asking for trouble. Also, obese people cost the healthcare system more money than any other malady. Should we regulate food itself because of this? No. We show people how to manage it, just like anything. But now, instead of suggesting these people eat a sensible diet and moderately exercise, they give them Ozempic. Loss of eyesight is one of the side effects of Ozempic. Why?
Marijuana should absolutely be used in pharmaceutical and industrial uses but that is being restricted because of it being in the same class as heroin, which most would agree should definitely be illegal. As far as being addictive, I believe it is not addictive in the sense that your body needs it, and one will suffer withdrawal symptoms without it. I have read a few papers about it in the past. People tend to have moodiness or sleeplessness because the marijuana is no longer helping them sleep or helping their mood. But that is generally all that happens when one uses for a long time and stops. No shakes, no fever, no vomiting, no cold sweats. No death. None of that. When I weigh all of my choices, I choose the most natural choice. Especially with food and drugs.
The foods we eat are worse than the marijuana we smoke. It's full of synthetic compounds, artificial colors and flavors, and highly processed sugars and fats. Obesity is at an epidemic proportion, using a majority of our healthcare resources and public medical funding. Yet the debate surrounding this is that body shaming is a crime and humiliates the person. The obese person should be mad as hell at their doctors for letting them get to a point where there are now 800-pound women becoming famous, simply because they are 800 pounds, shown to the world like an old circus freak, with all of the maladies you mentioned above that are supposedly from marijuana use.
Pharmaceutical drugs have side effects that include everything from dizziness and nausea to cancer, immune diseases, loss of eyesight, muscle palsies, rare and fatal diseases, sudden death. and full organ shutdown, also known as sepsis.
I would much rather take a few puffs of marijuana to sleep at night than risk the pharmaceutical drugs. Nor do I trust the doctors who prescribe them. The medical field is nothing more than a glorified dealer for the pharmaceutical companies. If there is not a drug that works for what you have, they don't know what to do and won't even try. I have directly seen the decline of this profession and artform and watched as it turned into an industry. The industry of the lifelong patient. Held to their doctor by the prescriptions they need them to fill.
Let's also not forget, it will be restricted. No driving while using, no working while using, no smoking in public areas, just like any other drug, alcohol or cigarette. But apparently it is ok to drive while on many opiates, as long as you have a prescription for it. And I fully disagree with that. Most prescriptions will say right on the bottle "Do not drive or operate machinery until you are aware fo the effects of this drug". In other words, do what you want when you think you can handle it, leaving it up to the patient to decide if he can drive or handle heavy machinery. And apparently, the doctors and cops agree. But yeah. marijuana is the devils weed.
First "WE" don't smoke marijuana.
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EDIT: (to that point, your original reply referred to “the marijuana we smoke” )
You have edited your entire reply in response to my reply, so that my reply no longer appears to be a reply and your reply is cleaned up from the points I raised. The normal practice is to stop editing except NOTED edits once replies are posted and instead post your replies as replies instead of editing your comment to make my reply obsolete.
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You assert that YOU do, and the "WE" is just another addict behavior, validating yourself by conflation of nebulous numbers of people.
Second, any smoking you do carries a majority of the same risks as tobacco smoking, except there are not as many toxic chemicals if you are using naturally-cured product. It's not a normal function of human life and isn't an indispensible activity unless you are an addict and can't quit.
Third, I have known MANY pot-smokers (yes, the derogatory term, pot ... that's what it is), and all of them insist they are not smoking to get high, but all of them get "buzzed" out of their minds and do really stupid things. This includes a lot of "medicinal" marijuana users.
Further, the THC from POT smoking DOES diminish your CNS and cerebrospinal tissues and damage your kidneys from the onset, and it damages your other organs and tissues more slowly over time, but I suppose if you are addicted to it, you will tolerate those effects for the ones you are seeking in using it. You can look at a person's skin and listen to his/her speech and identify whether that person is a habitual THC user, be it in pills, foods or smoking, but that wouldn't bother an addict as long as he can get his drug.
Your point about driving on opiates assumes that people do that.
You list all these effects for pharmaceutical drugs but you are cherry-picking, while I am pointing out things that THC is shown to cause and that I have seen across the board in people I know who use it.
You use the ad-absurdam example of an 800-pound patient ... How many of those are there, I wonder... I did find ONE in a web search ... out of eight billion people alive today, hardly fit for this discussion.
On the Ozempic issue ... 6% of adults in the USA, roughly 15 million adults, use Ozempic, and a total of SIX of them (6 out of 15,000,000, which amounts to 0.00004% of patients) lost their eyesight due to Ozempic. Again, cherry-picking.
You admit that long-term marijuana use has its detrimental effects over time but downplay it as though it were an essential part of life (another addict behavior).
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Again, you have modified your comment so as to make my reply obsolete.
I stand on my response, even though you have removed the portions of your comment to which I was responding.
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I would like to thank you for so squarely making my point by your responses and to encourage you to prove how unaddicted you are by stopping use of this dangerous drug. You won't because you are addicted to this "non-addictive" drug.
I find sugar consumption more problematic than cannibis consumption. I used to do both.
SSRI’s are problematic as well..
There is not just one health threat, just as there is neither just one cure nor just one approach to mitigation or eradication of risk.
Anyone who says otherwise, regardless of age, gender, religion, political affiliation or professional status, is a patent, deliberate liar and is not to be trusted under any circumstance in any matter whatsoever at any time.
Peter Giersch wrote mostly everything I was going to write except I would say widespread use will be the ruin of an entire generation maybe more of young people.
California legalized marijuana and declared itself a sanctuary state. In so doing the idiots in Sacramento put up a welcome sign for all criminals to see. And they came in droves. In my rural neighborhood marijuana grows sprang up like weeds. If you try to sleep with your bedroom window open, the smell of skunk permeates the bedroom but it isn't skunk, it is marijuana that stinks. Marijuana is a magnet from criminals no matter how "legal" it is. Legalizing marijuana is a mistake to be avoided.
I totally agree with Peter Giersch! There is no way the people, who voted for President Trump would want legal cannabis. This would be stab in the back to President Trump’s base.
I agree with Te Regan. I voted for Trump three times. You people are getting your facts about marijuana from 1960s anti-drug posters.
I was a teenager during the sixties and I saw first hand the effects of marijuana on people, who used it. I remember the hippies walking around with their minds blown out, from marijuana use. I saw it destroy young peoples lives. The use of marijuana led the people, who used it to hard drug use.
I voted for him three times. It needs to happen and then it needs to be regulated like cigarettes.
Cannabis is a dangerous drug which will permanently harm fetuses and cause schizophrenia and bipolar disorder in 25% of users. It is addictive and makes people violent and causes anxiety and paranoia.
Mr Stone you are one of the few people who are in touch with the American public. And you are correct it does deserve to be studied and I believe that alcohol is more destructive on our society then cannabis. I would much rather see alcohol regulated as a controlled substance then I would cannabis. I know that there are cases out there where people have adverse effects and have their lives ruined but if you look at the science and the data alcohol is a lot more destructive than cannabis. Thank you for bringing this subject to the Forefront so it can get the attention that it deserves.
Absolutely. And one of the biggest anti cannabis lobbying group is Big Alcohol….
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It is not good for families. Smoking cigarettes is bad for families too. It teaches kids that using a crutch to make you feel good is fine. Kids need parents who aren’t high or who rely on drugs to get through the day. Pot doesn’t make for a healthy society.
I love you, Roger, you’ve been through a lot, but this is not something that I will agree with you on ever. I have people very close to me who have trouble with drugs and the very first one was marijuana and it didn’t take more than a few months Before they tried other things. The only saving grace is that it was a few years before fentanyl became prevalent and so far they have survived. I hope you change your mind.
Roger I usually agree with you but you are 100% wrong that’s all we need is more people on drugs and that is what today’s marijuana is!! Do research so disappointed
The chat has proven you to be correct about the divide between people on this matter. I also noticed that those who opposed used a lot of hearsay and incorrect information to prove their side. No one has ever died or even had serious illness from marijuana. When fentanyl is legal and marijuana is not, something is wrong with the system. Marijuana poses a threat to them if they are in pain and sleep management especially. Why would a doctor choose to give a patient fentanyl but not allow them to have marijuana? Because you can't patent a plant and charge $500+ for a 1/4 ounce of it. If any doctor in America can prescribe fentanyl, but not marijuana, then that proves to me that our government is controlled by big pharma.
My best friend has post-polio syndrome and medical marijuana is the only way he can function and live a relatively normal life...he was one of the first to be granted it in Canada
I'm so glad he/she is able to have this. I know a couple of people with severe pain and sleeplessness because of the pain. They took all kinds of prescription sleeping pills and pain medications, all prescribed by doctors. They were literally unable to do anything but sleep or be in a stupor all day. Yes, marijuana gets you high also but not nearly to the extent of these pharma drugs. And it is not addictive and that has been proven but sleeping pills and pain meds are and are given out like candy without regard to any future problems from addiction. Then, when you ask that same doctor to help you quit taking them, they act like it is your fault that you are addicted and ignore you. Then they eventually get arrested when the doctor refuses to prescribe it anymore and the poor person tries to find it on the street. If you get too high from the meds you just have to ride it out, but if you smoke too much marijuana all you have to do is eat some food and it will end the high. It is the perfect drug you can grow in your own back yard and that is what big pharma has a problem with. How dare we treat ourselves with something that does not make us a patient for life. Keeping it illegal allows big pharma, doctors, hospitals and law enforcement to continue to make money from its illegality. They can't make money if you can treat yourself from your own backyard or get what you need at the local dispensary.
thank you so much for your comment...he has been using Medical Marijuana for several decades, he mostly smokes it at bedtime and he also has it in cookies and that kind of thing...I have never seen him high or stoned...it balances and smoothes him out...when my husband first got dementia, he tried a couple of different strains of marijuana, and for a time it helped him...where I live, the nearest town has 4 dispensaries...I've never seen people walking around stoned out of their heads, they use it for medical purposes and as an alternative to alcoholic beverages and hard drugs...the marijuana is organic and grown by people who really care about what they are doing...no pesticides or any of that garbage...plants are medicine and what the Big Pharma companies do is isolate what they think is the thing and get rid of the rest, but it doesn't work without the rest, you need the whole plant in most cases, and Chinese Traditional Medicine understands that...
Hemp is cannabis, this is a very useful raw material.
Industrial Hemp…the material that used to make rope…contains negligible amounts of THC…the chemical that makes one “high”…and do stupid stuff along with a whole host of other terrible debilitating side effects. People can lie all they want to get what they want…the cognitive dissonance of this era is just staggering…but has always been, I suppose…sin…the flesh will do whatever it takes to get whatever it wants. Sorry, NOT SORRY on this one Roger!!!!!!! You’ve fallen for a lie if you believe that load of manure you just published. I say that respectfully but emphatically.
Way overdue. And a step towards complete legality.
It has psychotropic effects like all drugs the pharmaceutical people poison our youth with this is not the same as the sixties marijuana!!
I agree with Peter Giersch post 100 % !!
I have to echo Peter Giersch's comment here.
Normally I agree with you.
HOWEVER
Descheduling cannabis is not a wise move.
Cannabis is not harmless by any stretch of the imagination.
It is a powerful mood-altering intoxicant which adversely affects all organs of the body with prolonged use, more with intensity of dosage.
Its effects are long-term and not negligible.
Its usage in daily life creates problems similar to those caused by excessive alcohol consumption, including impaired driving and machine operation and behavioral changes which may be dangerous.
It is addictive.
Don't bother saying it's not because it is.
I have seen families destroyed by cannabis and its users.
Its production, proliferation and consumption are not segregated to the individual user, and those who do not wish to partake are subjected to it anyway in the same manner as tobacco.
Descheduling it is no wiser, no more productive, no more imperative with respect to liberty than descheduling ALL OTHER intoxicants, in fact it sets a dangerous precedent for doing so.
Our society will suffer greatly if it takes up this fools' errand you have embraced.
The smell of pot going down the interstate at 80+ around 6AM tells me we need law enforcement. Same goes for the city sidewalks any time of day. Parents with children in tow, stepping out of a car driven to the Family Dollar store. Come on man, it’s engulfing.