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Susan Banks's avatar

Dude they have been playing psychology in everything they do! We have all been programmed by the CIA. To quote Wikipedia would be idiotic!! They are owned by the deep state! I can’t believe you even said that!! Don’t take me for a fool! If you are right, I have no problem apologizing and telling you you’re right. But you don’t have to lower yourself to make me look stupid!!

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Karl Elshoff's avatar

So, you don't think Q has been government manipulated? Shaking my head. Its not a reliable source. Sorry, I will not drink from a poisoned well.

'Hillary is dead'- prove it. I still haven't got a reasonable explanation for Trump's support of Operation Warp Speed. We don't have enough information to exonerate Trump for his ties to Epstein. Lastly, Trump enabled Biden to take control of the presidency. The one person that could have stopped the 2020 election fraud was Trump himself.

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JB808's avatar

What information do you have tying Trump to Epstein, in any criminal way? Sure, the left are black belt masters in the art of the smear and I admit, some of them have planted seeds of doubt. But it always goes away with more scrutiny. Always. It's what they do. Repeatedly, for years. Tell me why you think Trump was up to no good, with Epstein

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Karl Elshoff's avatar

JB808. Well, I believe Trump is tied to the entire left wing cabal. Like Fox News Trump is controlled opposition. Whitney Webb said Epstein introduced Trump to two of his wives. Epstein's death/escape happened under Trump's watch. Trump didn't prosecute Hillary Clinton - FIRST broken campaign promise. Mr. Birther himself (once in office) didn't go after Obama for his forged birth certificate or his illegal use of a stolen social security number. On he flip side, everyone of Trump's close allies got persecuted (Flynn, Lindell, Stone, Giuliani, Alex Jones, J6ers,...) and barely a peep from Trump. The biggest problem/crime is his Operation Warp Speed resulting in over 17 million dead world wide long after all the evidence was in proving the shot is deadly.

I am not left wing. I was in Republican Party politics going back to 1993. With your support or not Trump will find his way back into office in 2024/25. My point - it is all staged. Our country is like a boat that is being rocked far left and far right with the intention of flipping the boat.

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JB808's avatar

Fair enough. I've agonized over Operation Warpspeed, but the way I came to terms with it...call it näive justification if you like...in that moment, he was damned if he did and damned if he didn't. His opponents were pressuring him to make a move, with conflicting solutions coming from all corners. I believe he knew Fauci was a bad animal (Birx, as well) and he put them front and center to expose them. Was it Trump's fault if people couldn't discern the proper course to take for themselves? At some point, we all need to take responsibility for our own actions and we were given that opportunity with no mandates or coercion forcing us. If you say Trump will win in November, that's the outcome I'm hoping for, cuz when it's all said and done, I want the democrats stripped of all power and removed from any decision making capabilities whatsoever. You say you were once a republican, but no longer. Maybe we all come to our own conclusions, in our own time. Thanks for responding. I appreciate you taking the time.

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JB808's avatar

AND FURTHERMORE…😄😄 I've wrestled with the “they're selected and our voting is a mere going- through-the-motions placating process”, also. Why would the powers that be allow it to be any other way? They've manipulated every aspect of the world we live in, why not this one? Yes, yes that all makes sense, why would Trump be any different? And here you may freely call me näive…because he really doesn't belong to either party and he's been doing nothing but wreaking havoc and driving everyone involved in politics and their supporters, to madness. Literal madness. He's exposing the very guts of D.C. and it's unbelievably ugly. We can no longer go back to our ignorant complacency, so we will be forced to do what's needed to change. It's a big job, insurmountable, some would say, but it must be done, or we go back to the dark ages and serfdom. Thanks for listening. 🇺🇸💟

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Karl Elshoff's avatar

JB808. Good question. Go back to the 'boat' analogy. The purpose of supporting both sides is to drive everyone to madness and sink the ship. That is, create a civil war. How will this happen with Trump in office? Answer, they plan to off Trump. Why would Trump be a part of his own death? Answer, like so much we see in the political system it will be staged (not real).

You may wish to look at Dr. Douglas Frank's (Rumble) insights how the voting machines are rigged. Pay attention to how he says Trump got in office.

https://rumble.com/v4fp8jc-dr.-douglas-frank-dirty-voter-rolls.html

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JB808's avatar

Trump has been the catalyst for the very upheaval we're living through. He is the reason why I know what I know about the ghastliest, most repugnant things there is to know about the people who run the world. And the ones who run the U.S. are about as bad as they get. I've come to terms with the fact that some of them, even the artists and celebrities that I may have admired at one time, are terrible people who do terrible things. And it's not just current wrongdoings, but ancient evil that goes back centuries, with continuity. Mind you, I was disgusted when Trump won in 2016. I viewed him as a garrish, glorified gameshow host. I lumped him in with those Housewives of Orange County and Honey Boo Boo. I was not a fan. Never been into politics. I voted for the first time in 2020. Joke was on me. 😆 But I've been forced on a brutal crash course of lies and history and politics and Royal families and America and religion and historic events and war and satanic rituals and all the supposed heroes we learned about in grade school. It's been exhilarating and horrifying at the same time. So I have to hand that to Trump, anyway. Now we have a chance to bring this all into the light and begin to purge the planet of all this festering evil. Only then can we build a better world.

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Karl Elshoff's avatar

JB808. Good for you. You have come a long way. Let me suggest one more tool to put in your arsenal.

In your last comment you said, Trump is being attacked. This has the appearance of 'The Pity Play' and is used by sociopaths to gain peoples' trust giving them free reign to go after their enemies. Use this time to recognize enemies and their tactics. The book (may be available in audio if you are not a reader) 'The Sociopath Next Door' by Dr. Martha Stout helps one recognize what Jesus warned the church about - wolves in sheep's clothing. Sociopath types are attracted to both religion and politics because that is where they find easy and trusting victims.

Sociopaths make up 1 out of every 25 people. You likely already know one or more of these people. This is valuable information. It could one day help keep you from putting trust in the wrong person and save your life.

May God continue to open your eyes and be a blessing in your life.

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JB808's avatar

You know, I was all prepared to dislike you and brush you off and you've turned out to be the best conversation I've had in quite a while. Thank you for taking the time. Good luck in the coming days. I'll keep an eye out for those pesky socio/psychopaths...I've met a few along the way, but only peripherally, thank god. Take care, Karl. Thanks, again. 🇺🇸💟🍺

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Karl Elshoff's avatar

The Q stuff really doesn't interest me. The video you sent me is an hour long.

Ever hear of "the pity play"? Its a common tactic among sociopaths (Bk. The Sociopath Next Door by Dr. Martha Stout). They seek sympathy saying so-and-so is attacking me giving them license to unjustly target their victims. The attacks on Trump are just that - a pity play. Its a stage. Its make believe. Nothing sticks to Trump for a reason.

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Susan Banks's avatar

If a hour is too long for you, I feel sorry for you. You are in a psychological war and you can't take an hour to listen to something that will help you see what the real story is?

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Karl Elshoff's avatar

Susan you have a good heart but I am used to high quality information. Listening to this is like going from eating at 4 star restaurant to eating at McDonalds. And this is after finding out the burgers tested positive for human DNA.

Did you know Nancy Hartevelt Kobrin referenced my name on p. 131 in her book, 'The Jihadi Dictionary: The Essential Tool for Military, Law Enforcement, Government and Concerned Public' for redefining the word 'Islamaphobia'. When I studied President Eisenhower I may have read around 13 books from front to back. When I studied Islam/Islamic terrorism my reading surpassed that of my work on Ike.

I am just not impressed with people that put out outlandish ideas with no interest in backing them up with solid facts. I am even more repulsed at disinformation spreaders and con-artists. If you have something important to tell me write down what it is along with the facts backing it up. The more outlandish your claim the more facts I will expect from you to back it up. If you can't live up to this standard you are wasting both your and my time.

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Susan Banks's avatar

Since you studied Eisenhower, did he approve the trade of children for the alien technology? That is what his Great Granddaughter Laura has said.

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Karl Elshoff's avatar

Okay, now where are your facts to back it up?

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Susan Banks's avatar

You don’t deserve an explanation because you’ve already chalked it up to Pfizer paying him off!! You’re the one not waiting to hear the truth! Q is a Military group of 30 people! It’s all Generals that make up Q. Was it comprised? Probably. 8 Chan and then when it was on 4 Chan I didn’t look that much. Go listen to FCB on Rumble and watch his two part decode on Leave the world behind. He’s a lot smarter than you and you will learn something. Or watch him and Dave on the Pulse on Fcb channel and listen to all the 17 comms in the news! White Hats are in control. You’re just listening and reading garbage. Go find people that know who Q is. Because you’re way behind? And what makes you say that the YMCA song is queer? Are you gay? Your picture looks like you are! You have a problem dude!!!

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