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JB808's avatar

What information do you have tying Trump to Epstein, in any criminal way? Sure, the left are black belt masters in the art of the smear and I admit, some of them have planted seeds of doubt. But it always goes away with more scrutiny. Always. It's what they do. Repeatedly, for years. Tell me why you think Trump was up to no good, with Epstein

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Karl Elshoff's avatar

JB808. Well, I believe Trump is tied to the entire left wing cabal. Like Fox News Trump is controlled opposition. Whitney Webb said Epstein introduced Trump to two of his wives. Epstein's death/escape happened under Trump's watch. Trump didn't prosecute Hillary Clinton - FIRST broken campaign promise. Mr. Birther himself (once in office) didn't go after Obama for his forged birth certificate or his illegal use of a stolen social security number. On he flip side, everyone of Trump's close allies got persecuted (Flynn, Lindell, Stone, Giuliani, Alex Jones, J6ers,...) and barely a peep from Trump. The biggest problem/crime is his Operation Warp Speed resulting in over 17 million dead world wide long after all the evidence was in proving the shot is deadly.

I am not left wing. I was in Republican Party politics going back to 1993. With your support or not Trump will find his way back into office in 2024/25. My point - it is all staged. Our country is like a boat that is being rocked far left and far right with the intention of flipping the boat.

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JB808's avatar

Fair enough. I've agonized over Operation Warpspeed, but the way I came to terms with it...call it n├дive justification if you like...in that moment, he was damned if he did and damned if he didn't. His opponents were pressuring him to make a move, with conflicting solutions coming from all corners. I believe he knew Fauci was a bad animal (Birx, as well) and he put them front and center to expose them. Was it Trump's fault if people couldn't discern the proper course to take for themselves? At some point, we all need to take responsibility for our own actions and we were given that opportunity with no mandates or coercion forcing us. If you say Trump will win in November, that's the outcome I'm hoping for, cuz when it's all said and done, I want the democrats stripped of all power and removed from any decision making capabilities whatsoever. You say you were once a republican, but no longer. Maybe we all come to our own conclusions, in our own time. Thanks for responding. I appreciate you taking the time.

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AND FURTHERMOREтАжЁЯШДЁЯШД I've wrestled with the тАЬthey're selected and our voting is a mere going- through-the-motions placating processтАЭ, also. Why would the powers that be allow it to be any other way? They've manipulated every aspect of the world we live in, why not this one? Yes, yes that all makes sense, why would Trump be any different? And here you may freely call me n├дiveтАжbecause he really doesn't belong to either party and he's been doing nothing but wreaking havoc and driving everyone involved in politics and their supporters, to madness. Literal madness. He's exposing the very guts of D.C. and it's unbelievably ugly. We can no longer go back to our ignorant complacency, so we will be forced to do what's needed to change. It's a big job, insurmountable, some would say, but it must be done, or we go back to the dark ages and serfdom. Thanks for listening. ЁЯЗ║ЁЯЗ╕ЁЯТЯ

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Karl Elshoff's avatar

JB808. Good question. Go back to the 'boat' analogy. The purpose of supporting both sides is to drive everyone to madness and sink the ship. That is, create a civil war. How will this happen with Trump in office? Answer, they plan to off Trump. Why would Trump be a part of his own death? Answer, like so much we see in the political system it will be staged (not real).

You may wish to look at Dr. Douglas Frank's (Rumble) insights how the voting machines are rigged. Pay attention to how he says Trump got in office.

https://rumble.com/v4fp8jc-dr.-douglas-frank-dirty-voter-rolls.html

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JB808's avatar

Trump has been the catalyst for the very upheaval we're living through. He is the reason why I know what I know about the ghastliest, most repugnant things there is to know about the people who run the world. And the ones who run the U.S. are about as bad as they get. I've come to terms with the fact that some of them, even the artists and celebrities that I may have admired at one time, are terrible people who do terrible things. And it's not just current wrongdoings, but ancient evil that goes back centuries, with continuity. Mind you, I was disgusted when Trump won in 2016. I viewed him as a garrish, glorified gameshow host. I lumped him in with those Housewives of Orange County and Honey Boo Boo. I was not a fan. Never been into politics. I voted for the first time in 2020. Joke was on me. ЁЯШЖ But I've been forced on a brutal crash course of lies and history and politics and Royal families and America and religion and historic events and war and satanic rituals and all the supposed heroes we learned about in grade school. It's been exhilarating and horrifying at the same time. So I have to hand that to Trump, anyway. Now we have a chance to bring this all into the light and begin to purge the planet of all this festering evil. Only then can we build a better world.

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Karl Elshoff's avatar

JB808. Good for you. You have come a long way. Let me suggest one more tool to put in your arsenal.

In your last comment you said, Trump is being attacked. This has the appearance of 'The Pity Play' and is used by sociopaths to gain peoples' trust giving them free reign to go after their enemies. Use this time to recognize enemies and their tactics. The book (may be available in audio if you are not a reader) 'The Sociopath Next Door' by Dr. Martha Stout helps one recognize what Jesus warned the church about - wolves in sheep's clothing. Sociopath types are attracted to both religion and politics because that is where they find easy and trusting victims.

Sociopaths make up 1 out of every 25 people. You likely already know one or more of these people. This is valuable information. It could one day help keep you from putting trust in the wrong person and save your life.

May God continue to open your eyes and be a blessing in your life.

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JB808's avatar

You know, I was all prepared to dislike you and brush you off and you've turned out to be the best conversation I've had in quite a while. Thank you for taking the time. Good luck in the coming days. I'll keep an eye out for those pesky socio/psychopaths...I've met a few along the way, but only peripherally, thank god. Take care, Karl. Thanks, again. ЁЯЗ║ЁЯЗ╕ЁЯТЯЁЯН║

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