Since Felt, Woodward and Bernstein all publicly agreed it was Felt who was "Deep Throat" you might let us know the source for your assertion. Given the deception by the individuals involved in this soft coup I would guess anything is possible.
Since Felt, Woodward and Bernstein all publicly agreed it was Felt who was "Deep Throat" you might let us know the source for your assertion. Given the deception by the individuals involved in this soft coup I would guess anything is possible.
But if you want to follow along, and not rely on "agreements" between interested and compromised persons, here ya go.
Deep Throat had to know about the taping system Felt would not have known.
Alexander Butterfield (acknowledged CIA plant in the White House) installed the taping system in February 1971, just as Moynihan was leaving. Nixon wanted it installed to preserve records for his memoirs as a statesman, the Disraeli that moynihan had encouraged him to be. Hence the need for a recording system especially after Moynihan's departure, the lone intellectual in the Nixon WH. Moynihan's departure was caused -- arranged -- due to Leon Panetta's leak of the benign neglect memo. Distraction to call Moynihan a racist (just as with the Moynihan report leak in 65.) Leaked at Moynihan's instruction. Lenzner involved here too, whose son is now CoS to Wray head at FBI.
Moynihan's nightly drinking buddy was Alexander Butterfield, who kept up with Moynihan -- I have it in the diaries -- after he left the WH. Would have told Moynihan about taping system. Indeed Moynihan was in and out of WH from 71-73.
Moynihan was in India from Feb 73-74, safely out of country during watergate hearings. His involvement is the firewall that as had to be protected at all costs. He traveled back to DC four times in his first 8 months in India. Could be then that he met with Woodward, whose last physical meeting with Deep throat was apparently either in May 73 or first week in Nov 73.
Moynihan was the deep penetration Mole Angleton was hunting, however legitimate that hunt may have been. His cover -- his cut-out -- was John N. McMahon, DDCIA 82-86. CIA 1951-86. It's his papers in the LoC that are the "Vault with a vault within a vault" that Eric Olson referred to in Wormwood. Moynihan/McMahon ran CORONA out of Tregaron 61-65. ELINT.
I hope you agree that it makes sense that Moynihan/McMahon being so prevalent an obvious source for Woodward in Veil (1987) that he would have been the earlier source too. McMahon absent for the CIA records by and large during this period. [CORRECTION: NEWL RELEASED CIA DOCS REVEAL HE HEADED ELINT UNDER CUSHMAN.] Basically disappears during Watergate, disappears during Vietnam. Just like Moynihan.
Moynihan's counterpart in USSR was Alexander Yakovlev.
On the way back from the Nixon funeral, in 1994, Elliot Richardson the AG who refused to fire Cox leading to the Halloween massacre, said to those in attendance aboard AF1, including Moynihan that it had been's Moynihan's Disraeli line to Nixon that caused him to install the taping system and as a result Moynihan had caused Watergate and thus the resignation.
Moynihan was safely in India during Watergate hearings. Moynihan's name never came up during Watergate investigation, even though he had hired the Plumbers and Krogh etc.
REPEAT: He had hired HUNT AND LIDDY. HE TWISTED BENNETT"S ARM AT MULLEN & CO to HIRE HUNT.
Hunt's safe, which the FBI raided, contained forged cable trying to link Kennedy to Diem assasination to pin on Kennedy. Also included was cable from from Bangkok bureau chief in 1971 about N Vietnam troop movements in South. That was a TIME internal cable. How did it get in Hunt's safe? These were the documents that Pat Grey was supposed to burn. What's the significance? Look at SON TAY PRISON RAID, Lom Son 719 and Easter Offensive and final Peace Accords terms. Otherwise, "You'll have to figure that at on your own."
Moynihan meets with CIA director Vernon Walters in Jan 73.
Most important it had been Moynihan who hired Hunt and Liddy at the WH in 69, ostensibly to shut down the heroin from Turkey. Moynihan writes in private letter, "for close hold" that he was responsible for Watergate. But he tries to come up with a bureaucratic explanation-- things got out of control as they would for men like hunt and liddy given too much power. Says Watergate not result of Imperial presidency but a weak one. Shutting down the heroin from Turkey, which was mob-run -- The French Connection -- was designed to eliminate the competition for the CIA heroin smuggling from the Golden triangle. That same operation then shifted to Iran-Contra (guns for cocaine to Mena) then to Afghanistan guns to the taliban for opium. Now that synthetic opium for china is flooding the rural areas of US no more need for organic smack.
There's more. It was Kay Graham that wanted Moynihan to go after crime in the district as the city was burning from the annual riots by 69. Wanted Nixon to bring in federal troops. They used the plumbers to infiltrate heroin operations there as cover for larger Operation CHAOS activities including surveillance. It was the Podestas that leaked the Canuck memo sabotaging their own campaign.
Moyninan knew Ellsberg before Pentagon Papers break-in.
Reagan, Clare Boothe Luce, and Bill Webster.
Clare Boothe Luce had funded the Plumbers both before the break-in and after for the defense fund. She was rewarded with seat on PFIAB.
Webster then an obscure federal judge was rewarded with FBI and the CIA from 1978-1993 or so.
Reagan became president after removal of old baggage of Nixon and the red scare. New more modern conservatism of Buckley and Moynihan fusionism. That will be important as the Mole (MOYNIHAN) rises in the Reagan years. No taint of past spy troubles from early cold war. Buckley wanted Moynihan as VP.
But first had to have Carter in to screw things up so bad so Reagan would be a shoe in. TIME made Carter president.
Gorey/Woodward/TIME, 1976
Woodward: "He [Deep Throat] has a career in government."
Felt was out of the FBI by '76, and soon to be under criminal indictment. Was there a condition of his pardon by Reagan/Meese that he assume the Deep Throat role?
See also, regarding the artfully-titled Vanity Fair article on Deep Throat, "I'm the guy THEY called Deep Throat":
Attached from the recent December 2022 CIA CREST upload are:
1. A 1971 memo from John N. McMahon (Moynihan), then Director of ELINT, to DDCI Cushman regarding Gary Powers, whom McMahon/Moynihan had debriefed after his return to USA. Recall Cushman would be a significant witness during Watergate, testifying before the Ervin Committee regarding Agency contacts with Hunt.
2. An in-house chronology of Watergate, encompassing the wider, proper understanding of the break-in as part of a vast expansion of intelligence activities, ostensibly stemming, during the Nixon administration at least, from the effort to "combat" drug trafficking and radical groups. (It had actually begun before, and has never stopped.)
Entry one, dated July 9, 1970, concerns Moynihan and Tom Huston "thinking well of the memorandum on 'Black Radicalism in the Caribbean.'" The entries spiral downhill from there you might say.
3. A memo regarding TIME magazine reporter Sandy Smith investigating Robert Bennett and Howard Hunt and the Mullen & Co. PR firm. My hunch is that the last two redactions at paragraph 18 obscure the name McMahon. If so, it would be McMahon (i.e., Moynihan) that had urged Bennett to hire Hunt at Mullen & Co. Not coincidentally, I think Sandy Smith's enquiries on the subject of who had hired Hunt at Mullen & Co. was more or less shut down by TIME and the agency shortly after this memo. (The memo indicates that The Washington Post had already done so, contrary to the myth of its dogged persistence by "Woodstein.") Indeed, it's around this time that Smith was eased out as TIME's correspondent on the subject. By '74, TIME would call allegations of CIA involvement in Watergate "Chuck Colson's crazy theory."
4. Relatedly, another memo indicates on the routing slip on the second page that the secretary to another TIME correspondent, Hays Gorey, was a former Agency employee. The point being that TIME was effectively an Agency adjunct.
The December 28, 2022 uploads to the CIA CREST database include many revealing documents regarding Agency desire to frustrate requests by Senator Howard Baker and counsel Fred Thompson, for example; it's quite evident that Thompson's Democratic counterpart Terry Lenzner was far and away an Agency favorite. Lenzner would then turn around and represent Gottlieb re MKULTRA.
I suspect that the reason behind the release is to, quietly and gently, begin to let out that a lot of the firewalls -- THE firewall, in fact -- of the Watergate story has cracked, to lessen the impact any forthcoming reporting may have by implying that much of the underlying information had already been publicly released. The possibility of Congressional investigation by the new Church Committee may also have contributed.
Any new Church committee must be willing to go where the facts lead and just as importantly prevent recommended reforms from, again, leaving the fox guarding the henhouse.
Abolish FISA/The FISC.
The root problem is the secrecy system itself; until that's destroyed the club of the insiders will continue to dictate to the rest. And their survival requires that those who step out of line, or become a risk, or become no longer useful, be culled. Secrecy requires the system to eat its own, eventually but inevitably, as truth comes out.
Hays Gorey would become the ghost-writer for John DeanтАЩs wife Maureen Kane Owen Biner Deanand later tried (and failed miserably) to debunk the book Silent Coup.
And that's why Moynihan chaired Intelligence Committee after Church hearings. Fox guarding the hen house. Moynihan was effectively CIA director the entire time (read '73-86 and beyond).
He was the source for Hersh's scoops which removed Angleton. Critical to note that those 1970s disclosures about 1950s-60s abuses were only helping Moynihan take the reims of the Agency.
And obviously both Left and Right are implicated in this. East and West. Mutual Assured Destruction, or in Smiley's phrase, "the diabolical symmetry." These are the Family Jewels.
Why would Deep Throat have to know about the taping system? Do you think that Deep Throat was listening to the tapes all the while? Such that they already knew what was said that could compromise Nixon heading into Watergate?
"Do you think that Deep Throat was listening to the tapes all the while? Such that they already knew what was said that could compromise Nixon heading into Watergate?"
No, just assumed that given Nixon's candid, unfiltered manner of speaking, there would be something there to hang him on. Geoff Shepard who transcribed the tapes after Butterfield's testimony is the one who came up with the label "the smoking gun" tape, though now he says that it has been misinterpreted and is not a "smoking gun." The point being that select portions of tapes can be used for selective ends. Note also that only a fraction of the total recorded conversations have been released. And Watergate really part of two-pronged strategy -- both domestic and foreign -- against the presidency.
"The reason why Felt was rejected as a serious Deep Throat candidate concerns the information he was giving to Bob Woodward. Some of it did include evidence acquired from the FBI investigation. However, most of the important information that Deep Throat revealed came from the CIA and the White House. How did Felt get hold of this information?For example, one of the most important pieces of information Deep Throat gave Woodward was that NixonтАЩs was tapping his conversations at the White House. Woodward leaked this information to a staff member of Sam Ervin Committee. He in turn told Sam Dash and as a result Alexander P. Butterfield was questioned about the tapes. Only a very small number of people knew about the existence of these tapes. If Felt knew about these tapes he had his own Deep Throat. If this is the case, it was possibly William C. Sullivan, his former colleague at the FBI who was working for the White House during this period.
Felt, who leaked information to Time Magazine about what became known as the тАЬKissinger tapsтАЭ, later admitted that he got this information from Sullivan (one of the first things that Sullivan had done when he was appointed by Richard Nixon was to transfer the wiretap logs to the White House). Sullivan was playing a double-game. He provided information to Nixon about the CIA role in the assassination of John F. Kennedy. It was this information that Nixon tried to use to control Richard Helms. However, Sullivan, like Felt, was a pro-Kennedy Democrat."
""Somebody from the [Lyndon] Johnson administration told us that Johnson had a taping system," said Terry Lenzner, then assistant chief counsel for the Democrats on the committee. "So we as a matter of course we're asking every witness, 'Do you have any information about that?'"
"For example, one of the most important pieces of information Deep Throat gave Woodward was that NixonтАЩs was tapping his conversations at the White House. Woodward leaked this information to a staff member of Sam Ervin Committee. He in turn told Sam Dash and as a result Alexander P. Butterfield was questioned about the tapes. Only a very small number of people knew about the existence of these tapes. If Felt knew about these tapes he had his own Deep Throat. If this is the case, it was possibly William C. Sullivan, his former colleague at the FBI who was working for the White House during this period.
Felt, who leaked information to Time Magazine about what became known as the тАЬKissinger tapsтАЭ, later admitted that he got this information from Sullivan (one of the first things that Sullivan had done when he was appointed by Richard Nixon was to transfer the wiretap logs to the White House). Sullivan was playing a double-game. He provided information to Nixon about the CIA role in the assassination of John F. Kennedy. It was this information that Nixon tried to use to control Richard Helms. However, Sullivan, like Felt, was a pro-Kennedy Democrat."
"The sale of the Woodward-Bernstein papers to the University of Texas in 2003, and the 2005 death of Mark Felt, the former FBI official whom Woodward has identified as Deep Throat, have led researchers to ever larger doubts about the accuracy of WoodwardтАЩs reporting on Watergate, and particularly his account of his relationship with his much-heralded, and often inaccurate, Watergate source.
The first domino to fall was WoodwardтАЩs contention that Deep Throat was Felt and Felt only, and not a composite character based on numerous sources. The journalist Ed Gray demolished this myth when he completed In NixonтАЩs Web (2008), the posthumous memoir of his father, L. Patrick Gray III, the acting FBI director during Watergate. In this the Grays benefited from access not only to WoodwardтАЩs notes and papers at the University of Texas but also from Pat GrayтАЩs own FBI archive (45 boxesтАЩ worth). In NixonтАЩs Web exposed how WoodwardтАЩs reporting attributed information to Deep Throat that Mark Felt simply could not have known in November 1973, at the time of their last (alleged) meeting in a garage in Rosslyn, Virginia. The book also showed that WoodwardтАЩs Deep Throat file included notes from an interview he had conducted not with Mark Felt but with another source at the time, whom the Grays confirmed to be Justice Department official Don Santarelli. Pressed on such matters, Woodward dismissed them as тАЬtechnical, wiring-diagram issues.тАЭ
More recently, we have learned that among those harboring deep skepticism about WoodwardтАЩs account of Deep ThroatтАФso critical to the Washington PostтАЩs coverage of Watergate, and to the Woodward legacyтАФwas the man to whose memory The Last of the PresidentтАЩs Men is dedicated: Ben Bradlee, the executive editor who oversaw that coverage.
Rummaging through BradleeтАЩs papers for an authorized biography, Jeff HimmelmanтАФhimself a trusted former researcher to WoodwardтАФcame across an unpublished 1990 interview in which Bradlee had confided his misgivings about WoodwardтАЩs reliability. тАЬDid that potted [plant] incident ever happen?тАЭ Bradlee mused about the notion that Woodward moved a flowerpot on his balcony to signal for meetings with Deep Throat. Likewise, about the purported rendezvous in the garage, Bradlee wondered: тАЬOne meeting in the garage? Fifty meetings in the garage? I donтАЩt know how many meetings [there were] in the garage.тАЭ He added: тАЬThereтАЩs a residual fear in my soul that that isnтАЩt quite straight.тАЭ
In William SullivanтАЩs book he mentions John Dean requesting the FBI do a background check on a girlfriend. A clue perhaps to how Maureen DeanтАЩs arrest records in New Orleans disappeared.
December 1972, just as the Watergate burglars trial gets underway, Bob Woodward writes a puff piece on Joe Nesline, the DC mob boss who ran with Heidi Rikan and pimp/porn parlor and brothel manager Walter тАЬBusterтАЭ Riggin. Carl Bernstein was a frequent visitor to Buster RigginтАЩs porn parlor. According to an account from DC Vice cop Carl Shoffler, the US attorney was building a case against Bernstein for bouncing checks to prostitutes, but was dissuaded after a threatening phone call by Katherine Graham, The WAPO lawyer Edward Bennett Williams law firm represented Nesline. Judge John Sirica was an old friend of Williams and had connections himself to Joe Nesline. In the 1930s Sirica was the mouthpiece for high level gangster Sam Beard, an associate of NeslineтАЩs Foggy Bottom gang.
Reagan was in Los Angeles meeting with Nixon campaign honchos Mitchell, Magruder, Mardian. for a Hollywood fundraiser.
Several persons had apartments at the Watergate who have interesting connections to Watergate. One is journalist Connie Lawn, daughter of Harvard law тАШ37 alum Howard Lawn who was disbarred and spent a year in prison in connection room w a Mafia sugar racket. She knew and worked with Philip Mackin Bailley and was interviewed by the FBI April 1972. In her memoir Connie also mentions having an affair тАЬwith the attorney generalтАЭ and sexual incidents with Wilbur Mills and John Sparkman. Phil Bailley mentions Connie Lawn in a Colodny interview from 1990.
"Reagan was in Los Angeles meeting with Nixon campaign honchos Mitchell, Magruder, Mardian. for a Hollywood fundraiser."
"Clare Booth Luce, thank you. She really was a very good friend. I was at a private dinner with President Reagan the night the lights went out in the Watergate. She and Bill Simon raised money for their defense, and I thought that was a good thing. It wasnтАЩt a question; they were entitled to it. From time to time IтАЩve contributed money on the CIA side when similar things happened, to provide defense. I thought they were entitled to a defense even though with some of them I had personally participated in the disciplinary process. But as long as it wasnтАЩt for individuals, as long as it was a fund, I was comfortable.
They had raised a defense fund for these fellows. I know they were both reasonably close to President Reagan, probably had an opportunity to weigh in on what they had done. I never was close enough to the issues. I think investigations were over."
In '75 Luce called Colby at CIA. She said, "The night of the assassination, right after Oswald was caught, one of my boys telephoned me from New Orleans. Didn't I ever tell you this?
Mr. Colby: No.
Mrs. Luce: It was the captain of my boat. It seems that after the missile crisis a period of about a year had gone by -- he said that all the young Cubans involved profoundly in all of this had been told to scatter and scram, that he and two of my other lads.
Mr. Colby: When, after the crisis?
Mrs. Luce:.. (Yes.) (were told) to leave Miami.
Mr. Colby: In 1962?
Mrs. Luce: Yes. They were to stop their efforts to free Cuba; and if they did not, they would be deported. It has a very interesting end involving you. In any event, this one had been told to leave Miami after the missile crisis was over, and he had opened a cell in New Orleans. He telephoned me to- tell me that Oswald was -- I am telling you what his view was -- was a hired gun:; Oswald had tried to penetrate their little cell; that they turned around and did a counterpenetration job on Oswald."
"One does not really "brief" Mrs. Luce--I am not sure conversation with her can even really be called a "dialogue" but I did respond to her comments and occasional questions in what I believe was an appropriate manner. She is extremely concerned with the need to make the new PFIAB a useful part of our national intelligence organization; she is highly supportive of U.S. intelligence, CIA and our DCI"
Matt-Clare Boothe Luce was one of the people in a photo who was smiling the biggest smile I have ever seen when they knew that JFK had been assassinated. I wish I still had that photo; alas I don't
The legitimacy of the mole hunt in the first place is a, well, legitimate question. That is, did Angleton know that the mole hunt was a farce in some real sense? A designed-to-fail hunt, the ultimate purpose of which was to get the snake to eat its tail? He never seemed to raise a word about McMahon, indeed was feted in 84 at a Langley luncheon seated right beside him.
You have proved that you are the source; I just wanted to add that Jimmy Carter was invited to be in the Trilateral Commission by David Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brzezinski who then used Time magazine to put Carter into the White House. See what happened after that by reading http://www.truedemocracy.net/w01/3.html It's research I performed the last quarter at UCLA for a professor of political science. This link is a simplification of that research. This is history that Americans have been denied by the way.
"It was Kay Graham that wanted Moynihan to go after crime in the district as the city was burning from the annual riots by 69. Wanted Nixon to bring in federal troops. They used the plumbers to infiltrate heroin operations there as cover for larger Operation CHAOS activities including surveillance. "
Butterfield was the USAF-CIA liaison in Australia under ambassadors Ed Clark and William Crook, both very close to LBJ. Interesting that Moynihan and Butterfield were drinking buddies.
Yes. See Pine Gap and John McMahon. But Butterfield's relationship to Moynihan/McMahon goes back further than that, to Bay of Pigs.
"By late 1964, Butterfield was detailed to the policy directorate of war plans in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. There his duties included counterinsurgency planning and management of the program that resettled Cuban veterans of the Bay of Pigs invasion. This latter project Butterfield inherited from his new colleague at the Pentagon: Lt. Col. Alexander Haig."
Gilpatric had been steering Nixon and Haldeman toward Felt in the first place, as discussed in the Oct 19, 1972 tapes, to throw Nixon off any trail that might lead to the real Deep Throat (Moynihan). See Max Holland, https://www.washingtondecoded.com/site/2009/11/richard-nixons-own-deep-throat.html. No defense of Holland intended here, but he did get that part -- that Gilpatric was pointing Haldeman/Ehrlichman/Nixon to Felt -- correct. The question is why. The answer, again, both then and now, is to throw off any identification of the real Deep Throat.
"However, in addition to being presented in sworn testimony, the Time-Gilpatric leak was alluded to during a February 16, 1973 tape-recorded meeting of President Nixon, FBI acting director Gray, and senior White House adviser John Ehrlichman, and again on February 27 during a meeting between the president and John Dean. More likely than not, Gilpatric learned about Felt from John F. Dowd, a former Cravath associate who was the full-time editorial counsel at Time in 1972."
Since Felt, Woodward and Bernstein all publicly agreed it was Felt who was "Deep Throat" you might let us know the source for your assertion. Given the deception by the individuals involved in this soft coup I would guess anything is possible.
I'm the source.
But if you want to follow along, and not rely on "agreements" between interested and compromised persons, here ya go.
Deep Throat had to know about the taping system Felt would not have known.
Alexander Butterfield (acknowledged CIA plant in the White House) installed the taping system in February 1971, just as Moynihan was leaving. Nixon wanted it installed to preserve records for his memoirs as a statesman, the Disraeli that moynihan had encouraged him to be. Hence the need for a recording system especially after Moynihan's departure, the lone intellectual in the Nixon WH. Moynihan's departure was caused -- arranged -- due to Leon Panetta's leak of the benign neglect memo. Distraction to call Moynihan a racist (just as with the Moynihan report leak in 65.) Leaked at Moynihan's instruction. Lenzner involved here too, whose son is now CoS to Wray head at FBI.
Moynihan's nightly drinking buddy was Alexander Butterfield, who kept up with Moynihan -- I have it in the diaries -- after he left the WH. Would have told Moynihan about taping system. Indeed Moynihan was in and out of WH from 71-73.
Moynihan was in India from Feb 73-74, safely out of country during watergate hearings. His involvement is the firewall that as had to be protected at all costs. He traveled back to DC four times in his first 8 months in India. Could be then that he met with Woodward, whose last physical meeting with Deep throat was apparently either in May 73 or first week in Nov 73.
Moynihan was the deep penetration Mole Angleton was hunting, however legitimate that hunt may have been. His cover -- his cut-out -- was John N. McMahon, DDCIA 82-86. CIA 1951-86. It's his papers in the LoC that are the "Vault with a vault within a vault" that Eric Olson referred to in Wormwood. Moynihan/McMahon ran CORONA out of Tregaron 61-65. ELINT.
I hope you agree that it makes sense that Moynihan/McMahon being so prevalent an obvious source for Woodward in Veil (1987) that he would have been the earlier source too. McMahon absent for the CIA records by and large during this period. [CORRECTION: NEWL RELEASED CIA DOCS REVEAL HE HEADED ELINT UNDER CUSHMAN.] Basically disappears during Watergate, disappears during Vietnam. Just like Moynihan.
Moynihan's counterpart in USSR was Alexander Yakovlev.
On the way back from the Nixon funeral, in 1994, Elliot Richardson the AG who refused to fire Cox leading to the Halloween massacre, said to those in attendance aboard AF1, including Moynihan that it had been's Moynihan's Disraeli line to Nixon that caused him to install the taping system and as a result Moynihan had caused Watergate and thus the resignation.
Moynihan was safely in India during Watergate hearings. Moynihan's name never came up during Watergate investigation, even though he had hired the Plumbers and Krogh etc.
REPEAT: He had hired HUNT AND LIDDY. HE TWISTED BENNETT"S ARM AT MULLEN & CO to HIRE HUNT.
Hunt's safe, which the FBI raided, contained forged cable trying to link Kennedy to Diem assasination to pin on Kennedy. Also included was cable from from Bangkok bureau chief in 1971 about N Vietnam troop movements in South. That was a TIME internal cable. How did it get in Hunt's safe? These were the documents that Pat Grey was supposed to burn. What's the significance? Look at SON TAY PRISON RAID, Lom Son 719 and Easter Offensive and final Peace Accords terms. Otherwise, "You'll have to figure that at on your own."
Moynihan meets with CIA director Vernon Walters in Jan 73.
Most important it had been Moynihan who hired Hunt and Liddy at the WH in 69, ostensibly to shut down the heroin from Turkey. Moynihan writes in private letter, "for close hold" that he was responsible for Watergate. But he tries to come up with a bureaucratic explanation-- things got out of control as they would for men like hunt and liddy given too much power. Says Watergate not result of Imperial presidency but a weak one. Shutting down the heroin from Turkey, which was mob-run -- The French Connection -- was designed to eliminate the competition for the CIA heroin smuggling from the Golden triangle. That same operation then shifted to Iran-Contra (guns for cocaine to Mena) then to Afghanistan guns to the taliban for opium. Now that synthetic opium for china is flooding the rural areas of US no more need for organic smack.
There's more. It was Kay Graham that wanted Moynihan to go after crime in the district as the city was burning from the annual riots by 69. Wanted Nixon to bring in federal troops. They used the plumbers to infiltrate heroin operations there as cover for larger Operation CHAOS activities including surveillance. It was the Podestas that leaked the Canuck memo sabotaging their own campaign.
Moyninan knew Ellsberg before Pentagon Papers break-in.
Reagan, Clare Boothe Luce, and Bill Webster.
Clare Boothe Luce had funded the Plumbers both before the break-in and after for the defense fund. She was rewarded with seat on PFIAB.
Webster then an obscure federal judge was rewarded with FBI and the CIA from 1978-1993 or so.
Reagan became president after removal of old baggage of Nixon and the red scare. New more modern conservatism of Buckley and Moynihan fusionism. That will be important as the Mole (MOYNIHAN) rises in the Reagan years. No taint of past spy troubles from early cold war. Buckley wanted Moynihan as VP.
But first had to have Carter in to screw things up so bad so Reagan would be a shoe in. TIME made Carter president.
Gorey/Woodward/TIME, 1976
Woodward: "He [Deep Throat] has a career in government."
Felt was out of the FBI by '76, and soon to be under criminal indictment. Was there a condition of his pardon by Reagan/Meese that he assume the Deep Throat role?
See also, regarding the artfully-titled Vanity Fair article on Deep Throat, "I'm the guy THEY called Deep Throat":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4rkvMDem4U
It get's worse, and I can go on and on and on ...
Attached from the recent December 2022 CIA CREST upload are:
1. A 1971 memo from John N. McMahon (Moynihan), then Director of ELINT, to DDCI Cushman regarding Gary Powers, whom McMahon/Moynihan had debriefed after his return to USA. Recall Cushman would be a significant witness during Watergate, testifying before the Ervin Committee regarding Agency contacts with Hunt.
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/03073663
2. An in-house chronology of Watergate, encompassing the wider, proper understanding of the break-in as part of a vast expansion of intelligence activities, ostensibly stemming, during the Nixon administration at least, from the effort to "combat" drug trafficking and radical groups. (It had actually begun before, and has never stopped.)
Entry one, dated July 9, 1970, concerns Moynihan and Tom Huston "thinking well of the memorandum on 'Black Radicalism in the Caribbean.'" The entries spiral downhill from there you might say.
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/01430372
3. A memo regarding TIME magazine reporter Sandy Smith investigating Robert Bennett and Howard Hunt and the Mullen & Co. PR firm. My hunch is that the last two redactions at paragraph 18 obscure the name McMahon. If so, it would be McMahon (i.e., Moynihan) that had urged Bennett to hire Hunt at Mullen & Co. Not coincidentally, I think Sandy Smith's enquiries on the subject of who had hired Hunt at Mullen & Co. was more or less shut down by TIME and the agency shortly after this memo. (The memo indicates that The Washington Post had already done so, contrary to the myth of its dogged persistence by "Woodstein.") Indeed, it's around this time that Smith was eased out as TIME's correspondent on the subject. By '74, TIME would call allegations of CIA involvement in Watergate "Chuck Colson's crazy theory."
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/01482446
4. Relatedly, another memo indicates on the routing slip on the second page that the secretary to another TIME correspondent, Hays Gorey, was a former Agency employee. The point being that TIME was effectively an Agency adjunct.
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/01482413
The December 28, 2022 uploads to the CIA CREST database include many revealing documents regarding Agency desire to frustrate requests by Senator Howard Baker and counsel Fred Thompson, for example; it's quite evident that Thompson's Democratic counterpart Terry Lenzner was far and away an Agency favorite. Lenzner would then turn around and represent Gottlieb re MKULTRA.
I suspect that the reason behind the release is to, quietly and gently, begin to let out that a lot of the firewalls -- THE firewall, in fact -- of the Watergate story has cracked, to lessen the impact any forthcoming reporting may have by implying that much of the underlying information had already been publicly released. The possibility of Congressional investigation by the new Church Committee may also have contributed.
Any new Church committee must be willing to go where the facts lead and just as importantly prevent recommended reforms from, again, leaving the fox guarding the henhouse.
Abolish FISA/The FISC.
The root problem is the secrecy system itself; until that's destroyed the club of the insiders will continue to dictate to the rest. And their survival requires that those who step out of line, or become a risk, or become no longer useful, be culled. Secrecy requires the system to eat its own, eventually but inevitably, as truth comes out.
Hays Gorey would become the ghost-writer for John DeanтАЩs wife Maureen Kane Owen Biner Deanand later tried (and failed miserably) to debunk the book Silent Coup.
And that's why Moynihan chaired Intelligence Committee after Church hearings. Fox guarding the hen house. Moynihan was effectively CIA director the entire time (read '73-86 and beyond).
He was the source for Hersh's scoops which removed Angleton. Critical to note that those 1970s disclosures about 1950s-60s abuses were only helping Moynihan take the reims of the Agency.
And virtually anyone of any political importance in Washington already knows this.
Just as an example, why do you think Woodstein have gone so silent on their twitter feeds?
And this is what is in the docs at Mar-A-Lago, or what FBI and NARA were looking for anyway.
And obviously both Left and Right are implicated in this. East and West. Mutual Assured Destruction, or in Smiley's phrase, "the diabolical symmetry." These are the Family Jewels.
Why would Deep Throat have to know about the taping system? Do you think that Deep Throat was listening to the tapes all the while? Such that they already knew what was said that could compromise Nixon heading into Watergate?
"Do you think that Deep Throat was listening to the tapes all the while? Such that they already knew what was said that could compromise Nixon heading into Watergate?"
No, just assumed that given Nixon's candid, unfiltered manner of speaking, there would be something there to hang him on. Geoff Shepard who transcribed the tapes after Butterfield's testimony is the one who came up with the label "the smoking gun" tape, though now he says that it has been misinterpreted and is not a "smoking gun." The point being that select portions of tapes can be used for selective ends. Note also that only a fraction of the total recorded conversations have been released. And Watergate really part of two-pronged strategy -- both domestic and foreign -- against the presidency.
"The reason why Felt was rejected as a serious Deep Throat candidate concerns the information he was giving to Bob Woodward. Some of it did include evidence acquired from the FBI investigation. However, most of the important information that Deep Throat revealed came from the CIA and the White House. How did Felt get hold of this information?For example, one of the most important pieces of information Deep Throat gave Woodward was that NixonтАЩs was tapping his conversations at the White House. Woodward leaked this information to a staff member of Sam Ervin Committee. He in turn told Sam Dash and as a result Alexander P. Butterfield was questioned about the tapes. Only a very small number of people knew about the existence of these tapes. If Felt knew about these tapes he had his own Deep Throat. If this is the case, it was possibly William C. Sullivan, his former colleague at the FBI who was working for the White House during this period.
Felt, who leaked information to Time Magazine about what became known as the тАЬKissinger tapsтАЭ, later admitted that he got this information from Sullivan (one of the first things that Sullivan had done when he was appointed by Richard Nixon was to transfer the wiretap logs to the White House). Sullivan was playing a double-game. He provided information to Nixon about the CIA role in the assassination of John F. Kennedy. It was this information that Nixon tried to use to control Richard Helms. However, Sullivan, like Felt, was a pro-Kennedy Democrat."
https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKfeltM.htm
""Somebody from the [Lyndon] Johnson administration told us that Johnson had a taping system," said Terry Lenzner, then assistant chief counsel for the Democrats on the committee. "So we as a matter of course we're asking every witness, 'Do you have any information about that?'"
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3447219&page=1
"For example, one of the most important pieces of information Deep Throat gave Woodward was that NixonтАЩs was tapping his conversations at the White House. Woodward leaked this information to a staff member of Sam Ervin Committee. He in turn told Sam Dash and as a result Alexander P. Butterfield was questioned about the tapes. Only a very small number of people knew about the existence of these tapes. If Felt knew about these tapes he had his own Deep Throat. If this is the case, it was possibly William C. Sullivan, his former colleague at the FBI who was working for the White House during this period.
Felt, who leaked information to Time Magazine about what became known as the тАЬKissinger tapsтАЭ, later admitted that he got this information from Sullivan (one of the first things that Sullivan had done when he was appointed by Richard Nixon was to transfer the wiretap logs to the White House). Sullivan was playing a double-game. He provided information to Nixon about the CIA role in the assassination of John F. Kennedy. It was this information that Nixon tried to use to control Richard Helms. However, Sullivan, like Felt, was a pro-Kennedy Democrat."
https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKfeltM.htm
"The sale of the Woodward-Bernstein papers to the University of Texas in 2003, and the 2005 death of Mark Felt, the former FBI official whom Woodward has identified as Deep Throat, have led researchers to ever larger doubts about the accuracy of WoodwardтАЩs reporting on Watergate, and particularly his account of his relationship with his much-heralded, and often inaccurate, Watergate source.
The first domino to fall was WoodwardтАЩs contention that Deep Throat was Felt and Felt only, and not a composite character based on numerous sources. The journalist Ed Gray demolished this myth when he completed In NixonтАЩs Web (2008), the posthumous memoir of his father, L. Patrick Gray III, the acting FBI director during Watergate. In this the Grays benefited from access not only to WoodwardтАЩs notes and papers at the University of Texas but also from Pat GrayтАЩs own FBI archive (45 boxesтАЩ worth). In NixonтАЩs Web exposed how WoodwardтАЩs reporting attributed information to Deep Throat that Mark Felt simply could not have known in November 1973, at the time of their last (alleged) meeting in a garage in Rosslyn, Virginia. The book also showed that WoodwardтАЩs Deep Throat file included notes from an interview he had conducted not with Mark Felt but with another source at the time, whom the Grays confirmed to be Justice Department official Don Santarelli. Pressed on such matters, Woodward dismissed them as тАЬtechnical, wiring-diagram issues.тАЭ
More recently, we have learned that among those harboring deep skepticism about WoodwardтАЩs account of Deep ThroatтАФso critical to the Washington PostтАЩs coverage of Watergate, and to the Woodward legacyтАФwas the man to whose memory The Last of the PresidentтАЩs Men is dedicated: Ben Bradlee, the executive editor who oversaw that coverage.
Rummaging through BradleeтАЩs papers for an authorized biography, Jeff HimmelmanтАФhimself a trusted former researcher to WoodwardтАФcame across an unpublished 1990 interview in which Bradlee had confided his misgivings about WoodwardтАЩs reliability. тАЬDid that potted [plant] incident ever happen?тАЭ Bradlee mused about the notion that Woodward moved a flowerpot on his balcony to signal for meetings with Deep Throat. Likewise, about the purported rendezvous in the garage, Bradlee wondered: тАЬOne meeting in the garage? Fifty meetings in the garage? I donтАЩt know how many meetings [there were] in the garage.тАЭ He added: тАЬThereтАЩs a residual fear in my soul that that isnтАЩt quite straight.тАЭ
https://www.commentary.org/articles/james-rosen/bob-woodwards-sins-omission/
In William SullivanтАЩs book he mentions John Dean requesting the FBI do a background check on a girlfriend. A clue perhaps to how Maureen DeanтАЩs arrest records in New Orleans disappeared.
December 1972, just as the Watergate burglars trial gets underway, Bob Woodward writes a puff piece on Joe Nesline, the DC mob boss who ran with Heidi Rikan and pimp/porn parlor and brothel manager Walter тАЬBusterтАЭ Riggin. Carl Bernstein was a frequent visitor to Buster RigginтАЩs porn parlor. According to an account from DC Vice cop Carl Shoffler, the US attorney was building a case against Bernstein for bouncing checks to prostitutes, but was dissuaded after a threatening phone call by Katherine Graham, The WAPO lawyer Edward Bennett Williams law firm represented Nesline. Judge John Sirica was an old friend of Williams and had connections himself to Joe Nesline. In the 1930s Sirica was the mouthpiece for high level gangster Sam Beard, an associate of NeslineтАЩs Foggy Bottom gang.
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/01482376
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp90-01208r000100040005-4
Who was Al Wong?
McCord's Secret Service friend who installed the microphones and taping system in the White House. But you already knew that.
And whatever became of Captain Edmund Chung who testified about meeting with Carl Shoffler?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss9AkLUmM4g
Butterfield on 60 Minutes, 1975.
Reagan was in Los Angeles meeting with Nixon campaign honchos Mitchell, Magruder, Mardian. for a Hollywood fundraiser.
Several persons had apartments at the Watergate who have interesting connections to Watergate. One is journalist Connie Lawn, daughter of Harvard law тАШ37 alum Howard Lawn who was disbarred and spent a year in prison in connection room w a Mafia sugar racket. She knew and worked with Philip Mackin Bailley and was interviewed by the FBI April 1972. In her memoir Connie also mentions having an affair тАЬwith the attorney generalтАЭ and sexual incidents with Wilbur Mills and John Sparkman. Phil Bailley mentions Connie Lawn in a Colodny interview from 1990.
"Reagan was in Los Angeles meeting with Nixon campaign honchos Mitchell, Magruder, Mardian. for a Hollywood fundraiser."
"Clare Booth Luce, thank you. She really was a very good friend. I was at a private dinner with President Reagan the night the lights went out in the Watergate. She and Bill Simon raised money for their defense, and I thought that was a good thing. It wasnтАЩt a question; they were entitled to it. From time to time IтАЩve contributed money on the CIA side when similar things happened, to provide defense. I thought they were entitled to a defense even though with some of them I had personally participated in the disciplinary process. But as long as it wasnтАЩt for individuals, as long as it was a fund, I was comfortable.
They had raised a defense fund for these fellows. I know they were both reasonably close to President Reagan, probably had an opportunity to weigh in on what they had done. I never was close enough to the issues. I think investigations were over."
https://millercenter.org/the-presidency/presidential-oral-histories/william-h-webster-oral-history
Clare Boothe Luce had funded the Cubans -- my young Cubans she called them -- since Bay of Pigs. https://www.maryferrell.org/php/cryptdb.php?id=AMHINT-5
In '75 Luce called Colby at CIA. She said, "The night of the assassination, right after Oswald was caught, one of my boys telephoned me from New Orleans. Didn't I ever tell you this?
Mr. Colby: No.
Mrs. Luce: It was the captain of my boat. It seems that after the missile crisis a period of about a year had gone by -- he said that all the young Cubans involved profoundly in all of this had been told to scatter and scram, that he and two of my other lads.
Mr. Colby: When, after the crisis?
Mrs. Luce:.. (Yes.) (were told) to leave Miami.
Mr. Colby: In 1962?
Mrs. Luce: Yes. They were to stop their efforts to free Cuba; and if they did not, they would be deported. It has a very interesting end involving you. In any event, this one had been told to leave Miami after the missile crisis was over, and he had opened a cell in New Orleans. He telephoned me to- tell me that Oswald was -- I am telling you what his view was -- was a hired gun:; Oswald had tried to penetrate their little cell; that they turned around and did a counterpenetration job on Oswald."
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp80-00473a000200120015-5
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp83m00914r000300010024-6
"One does not really "brief" Mrs. Luce--I am not sure conversation with her can even really be called a "dialogue" but I did respond to her comments and occasional questions in what I believe was an appropriate manner. She is extremely concerned with the need to make the new PFIAB a useful part of our national intelligence organization; she is highly supportive of U.S. intelligence, CIA and our DCI"
Matt-Clare Boothe Luce was one of the people in a photo who was smiling the biggest smile I have ever seen when they knew that JFK had been assassinated. I wish I still had that photo; alas I don't
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It seems likely to me that the deep mole Angleton kept "looking for" (without success) was actually James Jesus Angleton!
The legitimacy of the mole hunt in the first place is a, well, legitimate question. That is, did Angleton know that the mole hunt was a farce in some real sense? A designed-to-fail hunt, the ultimate purpose of which was to get the snake to eat its tail? He never seemed to raise a word about McMahon, indeed was feted in 84 at a Langley luncheon seated right beside him.
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DINING%20ROOM%20EVENTS%5B16022005%5D.pdf
"installed the taping system in February 1971, "
You mean a Radio Shack $3.95 "suction cup" with a magnetic induction transformer on the phone handle? LOL!!!!
You have proved that you are the source; I just wanted to add that Jimmy Carter was invited to be in the Trilateral Commission by David Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brzezinski who then used Time magazine to put Carter into the White House. See what happened after that by reading http://www.truedemocracy.net/w01/3.html It's research I performed the last quarter at UCLA for a professor of political science. This link is a simplification of that research. This is history that Americans have been denied by the way.
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http://www.truedemocracy.net
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"It was Kay Graham that wanted Moynihan to go after crime in the district as the city was burning from the annual riots by 69. Wanted Nixon to bring in federal troops. They used the plumbers to infiltrate heroin operations there as cover for larger Operation CHAOS activities including surveillance. "
https://2001-2009.state.gov/documents/organization/52209.pdf
para 2
https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho/frus/nixon/e1/c15659.htm
Hunt's safe and (failed) Son Tay POW Prison Raid.
https://www.nixonfoundation.org/artifact/tape-888-conversation-4-888-004b/
Tape 888, Conversation 4 (888-004b)
Date: March 27, 1973
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-2010)
-Dealings with Hunt
-Memos from Colson
-Knowledge of break-in
-Denial
-Krogh
-Knowledge
-Investigation of leaks
-National security
-PresidentтАЩs T.V. appearance
-Importance
Wounded Knee occupation
-Shooting of US marshall
-American Indians
-Crisis
-KissingerтАЩs reaction
-Necessity for action
-Precedent setting
-Future trouble
-Blacks
-Underground groups
-Ehrlichman [?]
-Use of tear gas
-Logistics problem
-Kissinger
-Use of troops
-Size of force
-ShultzтАЩs recommendation
-Diversionary measures
-Vietnam War
-Son Tay prison raid
-Hanoi
*****************************************************************
BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6
[National security]
[Duration: 12s]
-33-
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-2010)
WEAPONS
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6
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-Success of operation
-Reluctance of military
Watergate
-Evidence
-Need to control
-McCord
-Independent commission
-DeanтАЩs opinion
-Other investigation
-Kleindienst
-Meeting with Ehrlichman
-Opinion
The President and Haldeman left at 10:55 am.
Butterfield was the USAF-CIA liaison in Australia under ambassadors Ed Clark and William Crook, both very close to LBJ. Interesting that Moynihan and Butterfield were drinking buddies.
Yes. See Pine Gap and John McMahon. But Butterfield's relationship to Moynihan/McMahon goes back further than that, to Bay of Pigs.
"By late 1964, Butterfield was detailed to the policy directorate of war plans in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. There his duties included counterinsurgency planning and management of the program that resettled Cuban veterans of the Bay of Pigs invasion. This latter project Butterfield inherited from his new colleague at the Pentagon: Lt. Col. Alexander Haig."
https://www.commentary.org/articles/james-rosen/bob-woodwards-sins-omission/
https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/sites/default/files/forresearchers/find/histories/butterfield-2008-06-12.pdf
Gilpatric had been steering Nixon and Haldeman toward Felt in the first place, as discussed in the Oct 19, 1972 tapes, to throw Nixon off any trail that might lead to the real Deep Throat (Moynihan). See Max Holland, https://www.washingtondecoded.com/site/2009/11/richard-nixons-own-deep-throat.html. No defense of Holland intended here, but he did get that part -- that Gilpatric was pointing Haldeman/Ehrlichman/Nixon to Felt -- correct. The question is why. The answer, again, both then and now, is to throw off any identification of the real Deep Throat.
"However, in addition to being presented in sworn testimony, the Time-Gilpatric leak was alluded to during a February 16, 1973 tape-recorded meeting of President Nixon, FBI acting director Gray, and senior White House adviser John Ehrlichman, and again on February 27 during a meeting between the president and John Dean. More likely than not, Gilpatric learned about Felt from John F. Dowd, a former Cravath associate who was the full-time editorial counsel at Time in 1972."
https://www.washingtondecoded.com/site/2009/11/richard-nixons-own-deep-throat.html
https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1614309838942609411