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Matt Cloud's avatar

Close but Felt wasn't Deep Throat. Moynihan was Deep Throat.

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Since Felt, Woodward and Bernstein all publicly agreed it was Felt who was "Deep Throat" you might let us know the source for your assertion. Given the deception by the individuals involved in this soft coup I would guess anything is possible.

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I'm the source.

But if you want to follow along, and not rely on "agreements" between interested and compromised persons, here ya go.

Deep Throat had to know about the taping system Felt would not have known.

Alexander Butterfield (acknowledged CIA plant in the White House) installed the taping system in February 1971, just as Moynihan was leaving. Nixon wanted it installed to preserve records for his memoirs as a statesman, the Disraeli that moynihan had encouraged him to be. Hence the need for a recording system especially after Moynihan's departure, the lone intellectual in the Nixon WH. Moynihan's departure was caused -- arranged -- due to Leon Panetta's leak of the benign neglect memo. Distraction to call Moynihan a racist (just as with the Moynihan report leak in 65.) Leaked at Moynihan's instruction. Lenzner involved here too, whose son is now CoS to Wray head at FBI.

Moynihan's nightly drinking buddy was Alexander Butterfield, who kept up with Moynihan -- I have it in the diaries -- after he left the WH. Would have told Moynihan about taping system. Indeed Moynihan was in and out of WH from 71-73.

Moynihan was in India from Feb 73-74, safely out of country during watergate hearings. His involvement is the firewall that as had to be protected at all costs. He traveled back to DC four times in his first 8 months in India. Could be then that he met with Woodward, whose last physical meeting with Deep throat was apparently either in May 73 or first week in Nov 73.

Moynihan was the deep penetration Mole Angleton was hunting, however legitimate that hunt may have been. His cover -- his cut-out -- was John N. McMahon, DDCIA 82-86. CIA 1951-86. It's his papers in the LoC that are the "Vault with a vault within a vault" that Eric Olson referred to in Wormwood. Moynihan/McMahon ran CORONA out of Tregaron 61-65. ELINT.

I hope you agree that it makes sense that Moynihan/McMahon being so prevalent an obvious source for Woodward in Veil (1987) that he would have been the earlier source too. McMahon absent for the CIA records by and large during this period. [CORRECTION: NEWL RELEASED CIA DOCS REVEAL HE HEADED ELINT UNDER CUSHMAN.] Basically disappears during Watergate, disappears during Vietnam. Just like Moynihan.

Moynihan's counterpart in USSR was Alexander Yakovlev.

On the way back from the Nixon funeral, in 1994, Elliot Richardson the AG who refused to fire Cox leading to the Halloween massacre, said to those in attendance aboard AF1, including Moynihan that it had been's Moynihan's Disraeli line to Nixon that caused him to install the taping system and as a result Moynihan had caused Watergate and thus the resignation.

Moynihan was safely in India during Watergate hearings. Moynihan's name never came up during Watergate investigation, even though he had hired the Plumbers and Krogh etc.

REPEAT: He had hired HUNT AND LIDDY. HE TWISTED BENNETT"S ARM AT MULLEN & CO to HIRE HUNT.

Hunt's safe, which the FBI raided, contained forged cable trying to link Kennedy to Diem assasination to pin on Kennedy. Also included was cable from from Bangkok bureau chief in 1971 about N Vietnam troop movements in South. That was a TIME internal cable. How did it get in Hunt's safe? These were the documents that Pat Grey was supposed to burn. What's the significance? Look at SON TAY PRISON RAID, Lom Son 719 and Easter Offensive and final Peace Accords terms. Otherwise, "You'll have to figure that at on your own."

Moynihan meets with CIA director Vernon Walters in Jan 73.

Most important it had been Moynihan who hired Hunt and Liddy at the WH in 69, ostensibly to shut down the heroin from Turkey. Moynihan writes in private letter, "for close hold" that he was responsible for Watergate. But he tries to come up with a bureaucratic explanation-- things got out of control as they would for men like hunt and liddy given too much power. Says Watergate not result of Imperial presidency but a weak one. Shutting down the heroin from Turkey, which was mob-run -- The French Connection -- was designed to eliminate the competition for the CIA heroin smuggling from the Golden triangle. That same operation then shifted to Iran-Contra (guns for cocaine to Mena) then to Afghanistan guns to the taliban for opium. Now that synthetic opium for china is flooding the rural areas of US no more need for organic smack.

There's more. It was Kay Graham that wanted Moynihan to go after crime in the district as the city was burning from the annual riots by 69. Wanted Nixon to bring in federal troops. They used the plumbers to infiltrate heroin operations there as cover for larger Operation CHAOS activities including surveillance. It was the Podestas that leaked the Canuck memo sabotaging their own campaign.

Moyninan knew Ellsberg before Pentagon Papers break-in.

Reagan, Clare Boothe Luce, and Bill Webster.

Clare Boothe Luce had funded the Plumbers both before the break-in and after for the defense fund. She was rewarded with seat on PFIAB.

Webster then an obscure federal judge was rewarded with FBI and the CIA from 1978-1993 or so.

Reagan became president after removal of old baggage of Nixon and the red scare. New more modern conservatism of Buckley and Moynihan fusionism. That will be important as the Mole (MOYNIHAN) rises in the Reagan years. No taint of past spy troubles from early cold war. Buckley wanted Moynihan as VP.

But first had to have Carter in to screw things up so bad so Reagan would be a shoe in. TIME made Carter president.

Gorey/Woodward/TIME, 1976

Woodward: "He [Deep Throat] has a career in government."

Felt was out of the FBI by '76, and soon to be under criminal indictment. Was there a condition of his pardon by Reagan/Meese that he assume the Deep Throat role?

See also, regarding the artfully-titled Vanity Fair article on Deep Throat, "I'm the guy THEY called Deep Throat":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4rkvMDem4U

It get's worse, and I can go on and on and on ...

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Matt Cloud's avatar

Attached from the recent December 2022 CIA CREST upload are:

1. A 1971 memo from John N. McMahon (Moynihan), then Director of ELINT, to DDCI Cushman regarding Gary Powers, whom McMahon/Moynihan had debriefed after his return to USA. Recall Cushman would be a significant witness during Watergate, testifying before the Ervin Committee regarding Agency contacts with Hunt.

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/03073663

2. An in-house chronology of Watergate, encompassing the wider, proper understanding of the break-in as part of a vast expansion of intelligence activities, ostensibly stemming, during the Nixon administration at least, from the effort to "combat" drug trafficking and radical groups. (It had actually begun before, and has never stopped.)

Entry one, dated July 9, 1970, concerns Moynihan and Tom Huston "thinking well of the memorandum on 'Black Radicalism in the Caribbean.'" The entries spiral downhill from there you might say.

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/01430372

3. A memo regarding TIME magazine reporter Sandy Smith investigating Robert Bennett and Howard Hunt and the Mullen & Co. PR firm. My hunch is that the last two redactions at paragraph 18 obscure the name McMahon. If so, it would be McMahon (i.e., Moynihan) that had urged Bennett to hire Hunt at Mullen & Co. Not coincidentally, I think Sandy Smith's enquiries on the subject of who had hired Hunt at Mullen & Co. was more or less shut down by TIME and the agency shortly after this memo. (The memo indicates that The Washington Post had already done so, contrary to the myth of its dogged persistence by "Woodstein.") Indeed, it's around this time that Smith was eased out as TIME's correspondent on the subject. By '74, TIME would call allegations of CIA involvement in Watergate "Chuck Colson's crazy theory."

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/01482446

4. Relatedly, another memo indicates on the routing slip on the second page that the secretary to another TIME correspondent, Hays Gorey, was a former Agency employee. The point being that TIME was effectively an Agency adjunct.

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/01482413

The December 28, 2022 uploads to the CIA CREST database include many revealing documents regarding Agency desire to frustrate requests by Senator Howard Baker and counsel Fred Thompson, for example; it's quite evident that Thompson's Democratic counterpart Terry Lenzner was far and away an Agency favorite. Lenzner would then turn around and represent Gottlieb re MKULTRA.

I suspect that the reason behind the release is to, quietly and gently, begin to let out that a lot of the firewalls -- THE firewall, in fact -- of the Watergate story has cracked, to lessen the impact any forthcoming reporting may have by implying that much of the underlying information had already been publicly released. The possibility of Congressional investigation by the new Church Committee may also have contributed.

Any new Church committee must be willing to go where the facts lead and just as importantly prevent recommended reforms from, again, leaving the fox guarding the henhouse.

Abolish FISA/The FISC.

The root problem is the secrecy system itself; until that's destroyed the club of the insiders will continue to dictate to the rest. And their survival requires that those who step out of line, or become a risk, or become no longer useful, be culled. Secrecy requires the system to eat its own, eventually but inevitably, as truth comes out.

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MooseMalloy's avatar

Hays Gorey would become the ghost-writer for John DeanтАЩs wife Maureen Kane Owen Biner Deanand later tried (and failed miserably) to debunk the book Silent Coup.

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Matt Cloud's avatar

And that's why Moynihan chaired Intelligence Committee after Church hearings. Fox guarding the hen house. Moynihan was effectively CIA director the entire time (read '73-86 and beyond).

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Matt Cloud's avatar

He was the source for Hersh's scoops which removed Angleton. Critical to note that those 1970s disclosures about 1950s-60s abuses were only helping Moynihan take the reims of the Agency.

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Matt Cloud's avatar

And virtually anyone of any political importance in Washington already knows this.

Just as an example, why do you think Woodstein have gone so silent on their twitter feeds?

And this is what is in the docs at Mar-A-Lago, or what FBI and NARA were looking for anyway.

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Matt Cloud's avatar

And obviously both Left and Right are implicated in this. East and West. Mutual Assured Destruction, or in Smiley's phrase, "the diabolical symmetry." These are the Family Jewels.

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Sasha Stone's avatar

Why would Deep Throat have to know about the taping system? Do you think that Deep Throat was listening to the tapes all the while? Such that they already knew what was said that could compromise Nixon heading into Watergate?

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Matt Cloud's avatar

"Do you think that Deep Throat was listening to the tapes all the while? Such that they already knew what was said that could compromise Nixon heading into Watergate?"

No, just assumed that given Nixon's candid, unfiltered manner of speaking, there would be something there to hang him on. Geoff Shepard who transcribed the tapes after Butterfield's testimony is the one who came up with the label "the smoking gun" tape, though now he says that it has been misinterpreted and is not a "smoking gun." The point being that select portions of tapes can be used for selective ends. Note also that only a fraction of the total recorded conversations have been released. And Watergate really part of two-pronged strategy -- both domestic and foreign -- against the presidency.

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"The reason why Felt was rejected as a serious Deep Throat candidate concerns the information he was giving to Bob Woodward. Some of it did include evidence acquired from the FBI investigation. However, most of the important information that Deep Throat revealed came from the CIA and the White House. How did Felt get hold of this information?For example, one of the most important pieces of information Deep Throat gave Woodward was that NixonтАЩs was tapping his conversations at the White House. Woodward leaked this information to a staff member of Sam Ervin Committee. He in turn told Sam Dash and as a result Alexander P. Butterfield was questioned about the tapes. Only a very small number of people knew about the existence of these tapes. If Felt knew about these tapes he had his own Deep Throat. If this is the case, it was possibly William C. Sullivan, his former colleague at the FBI who was working for the White House during this period.

Felt, who leaked information to Time Magazine about what became known as the тАЬKissinger tapsтАЭ, later admitted that he got this information from Sullivan (one of the first things that Sullivan had done when he was appointed by Richard Nixon was to transfer the wiretap logs to the White House). Sullivan was playing a double-game. He provided information to Nixon about the CIA role in the assassination of John F. Kennedy. It was this information that Nixon tried to use to control Richard Helms. However, Sullivan, like Felt, was a pro-Kennedy Democrat."

https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKfeltM.htm

""Somebody from the [Lyndon] Johnson administration told us that Johnson had a taping system," said Terry Lenzner, then assistant chief counsel for the Democrats on the committee. "So we as a matter of course we're asking every witness, 'Do you have any information about that?'"

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3447219&page=1

"For example, one of the most important pieces of information Deep Throat gave Woodward was that NixonтАЩs was tapping his conversations at the White House. Woodward leaked this information to a staff member of Sam Ervin Committee. He in turn told Sam Dash and as a result Alexander P. Butterfield was questioned about the tapes. Only a very small number of people knew about the existence of these tapes. If Felt knew about these tapes he had his own Deep Throat. If this is the case, it was possibly William C. Sullivan, his former colleague at the FBI who was working for the White House during this period.

Felt, who leaked information to Time Magazine about what became known as the тАЬKissinger tapsтАЭ, later admitted that he got this information from Sullivan (one of the first things that Sullivan had done when he was appointed by Richard Nixon was to transfer the wiretap logs to the White House). Sullivan was playing a double-game. He provided information to Nixon about the CIA role in the assassination of John F. Kennedy. It was this information that Nixon tried to use to control Richard Helms. However, Sullivan, like Felt, was a pro-Kennedy Democrat."

https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKfeltM.htm

"The sale of the Woodward-Bernstein papers to the University of Texas in 2003, and the 2005 death of Mark Felt, the former FBI official whom Woodward has identified as Deep Throat, have led researchers to ever larger doubts about the accuracy of WoodwardтАЩs reporting on Watergate, and particularly his account of his relationship with his much-heralded, and often inaccurate, Watergate source.

The first domino to fall was WoodwardтАЩs contention that Deep Throat was Felt and Felt only, and not a composite character based on numerous sources. The journalist Ed Gray demolished this myth when he completed In NixonтАЩs Web (2008), the posthumous memoir of his father, L. Patrick Gray III, the acting FBI director during Watergate. In this the Grays benefited from access not only to WoodwardтАЩs notes and papers at the University of Texas but also from Pat GrayтАЩs own FBI archive (45 boxesтАЩ worth). In NixonтАЩs Web exposed how WoodwardтАЩs reporting attributed information to Deep Throat that Mark Felt simply could not have known in November 1973, at the time of their last (alleged) meeting in a garage in Rosslyn, Virginia. The book also showed that WoodwardтАЩs Deep Throat file included notes from an interview he had conducted not with Mark Felt but with another source at the time, whom the Grays confirmed to be Justice Department official Don Santarelli. Pressed on such matters, Woodward dismissed them as тАЬtechnical, wiring-diagram issues.тАЭ

More recently, we have learned that among those harboring deep skepticism about WoodwardтАЩs account of Deep ThroatтАФso critical to the Washington PostтАЩs coverage of Watergate, and to the Woodward legacyтАФwas the man to whose memory The Last of the PresidentтАЩs Men is dedicated: Ben Bradlee, the executive editor who oversaw that coverage.

Rummaging through BradleeтАЩs papers for an authorized biography, Jeff HimmelmanтАФhimself a trusted former researcher to WoodwardтАФcame across an unpublished 1990 interview in which Bradlee had confided his misgivings about WoodwardтАЩs reliability. тАЬDid that potted [plant] incident ever happen?тАЭ Bradlee mused about the notion that Woodward moved a flowerpot on his balcony to signal for meetings with Deep Throat. Likewise, about the purported rendezvous in the garage, Bradlee wondered: тАЬOne meeting in the garage? Fifty meetings in the garage? I donтАЩt know how many meetings [there were] in the garage.тАЭ He added: тАЬThereтАЩs a residual fear in my soul that that isnтАЩt quite straight.тАЭ

https://www.commentary.org/articles/james-rosen/bob-woodwards-sins-omission/

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MooseMalloy's avatar

In William SullivanтАЩs book he mentions John Dean requesting the FBI do a background check on a girlfriend. A clue perhaps to how Maureen DeanтАЩs arrest records in New Orleans disappeared.

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December 1972, just as the Watergate burglars trial gets underway, Bob Woodward writes a puff piece on Joe Nesline, the DC mob boss who ran with Heidi Rikan and pimp/porn parlor and brothel manager Walter тАЬBusterтАЭ Riggin. Carl Bernstein was a frequent visitor to Buster RigginтАЩs porn parlor. According to an account from DC Vice cop Carl Shoffler, the US attorney was building a case against Bernstein for bouncing checks to prostitutes, but was dissuaded after a threatening phone call by Katherine Graham, The WAPO lawyer Edward Bennett Williams law firm represented Nesline. Judge John Sirica was an old friend of Williams and had connections himself to Joe Nesline. In the 1930s Sirica was the mouthpiece for high level gangster Sam Beard, an associate of NeslineтАЩs Foggy Bottom gang.

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Terry Chodosh's avatar

Who was Al Wong?

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Matt Cloud's avatar

McCord's Secret Service friend who installed the microphones and taping system in the White House. But you already knew that.

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MooseMalloy's avatar

And whatever became of Captain Edmund Chung who testified about meeting with Carl Shoffler?

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Reagan was in Los Angeles meeting with Nixon campaign honchos Mitchell, Magruder, Mardian. for a Hollywood fundraiser.

Several persons had apartments at the Watergate who have interesting connections to Watergate. One is journalist Connie Lawn, daughter of Harvard law тАШ37 alum Howard Lawn who was disbarred and spent a year in prison in connection room w a Mafia sugar racket. She knew and worked with Philip Mackin Bailley and was interviewed by the FBI April 1972. In her memoir Connie also mentions having an affair тАЬwith the attorney generalтАЭ and sexual incidents with Wilbur Mills and John Sparkman. Phil Bailley mentions Connie Lawn in a Colodny interview from 1990.

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"Reagan was in Los Angeles meeting with Nixon campaign honchos Mitchell, Magruder, Mardian. for a Hollywood fundraiser."

"Clare Booth Luce, thank you. She really was a very good friend. I was at a private dinner with President Reagan the night the lights went out in the Watergate. She and Bill Simon raised money for their defense, and I thought that was a good thing. It wasnтАЩt a question; they were entitled to it. From time to time IтАЩve contributed money on the CIA side when similar things happened, to provide defense. I thought they were entitled to a defense even though with some of them I had personally participated in the disciplinary process. But as long as it wasnтАЩt for individuals, as long as it was a fund, I was comfortable.

They had raised a defense fund for these fellows. I know they were both reasonably close to President Reagan, probably had an opportunity to weigh in on what they had done. I never was close enough to the issues. I think investigations were over."

https://millercenter.org/the-presidency/presidential-oral-histories/william-h-webster-oral-history

Clare Boothe Luce had funded the Cubans -- my young Cubans she called them -- since Bay of Pigs. https://www.maryferrell.org/php/cryptdb.php?id=AMHINT-5

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In '75 Luce called Colby at CIA. She said, "The night of the assassination, right after Oswald was caught, one of my boys telephoned me from New Orleans. Didn't I ever tell you this?

Mr. Colby: No.

Mrs. Luce: It was the captain of my boat. It seems that after the missile crisis a period of about a year had gone by -- he said that all the young Cubans involved profoundly in all of this had been told to scatter and scram, that he and two of my other lads.

Mr. Colby: When, after the crisis?

Mrs. Luce:.. (Yes.) (were told) to leave Miami.

Mr. Colby: In 1962?

Mrs. Luce: Yes. They were to stop their efforts to free Cuba; and if they did not, they would be deported. It has a very interesting end involving you. In any event, this one had been told to leave Miami after the missile crisis was over, and he had opened a cell in New Orleans. He telephoned me to- tell me that Oswald was -- I am telling you what his view was -- was a hired gun:; Oswald had tried to penetrate their little cell; that they turned around and did a counterpenetration job on Oswald."

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp80-00473a000200120015-5

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https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp83m00914r000300010024-6

"One does not really "brief" Mrs. Luce--I am not sure conversation with her can even really be called a "dialogue" but I did respond to her comments and occasional questions in what I believe was an appropriate manner. She is extremely concerned with the need to make the new PFIAB a useful part of our national intelligence organization; she is highly supportive of U.S. intelligence, CIA and our DCI"

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Arlene Johnson's avatar

Matt-Clare Boothe Luce was one of the people in a photo who was smiling the biggest smile I have ever seen when they knew that JFK had been assassinated. I wish I still had that photo; alas I don't

Peace,

Arlene Johnson

Publisher/Author

http://www.truedemocracy.net

To access my work, click on the icon that says Magazine.

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William Burke's avatar

It seems likely to me that the deep mole Angleton kept "looking for" (without success) was actually James Jesus Angleton!

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Matt Cloud's avatar

The legitimacy of the mole hunt in the first place is a, well, legitimate question. That is, did Angleton know that the mole hunt was a farce in some real sense? A designed-to-fail hunt, the ultimate purpose of which was to get the snake to eat its tail? He never seemed to raise a word about McMahon, indeed was feted in 84 at a Langley luncheon seated right beside him.

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DINING%20ROOM%20EVENTS%5B16022005%5D.pdf

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Htos1av's avatar

"installed the taping system in February 1971, "

You mean a Radio Shack $3.95 "suction cup" with a magnetic induction transformer on the phone handle? LOL!!!!

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Arlene Johnson's avatar

You have proved that you are the source; I just wanted to add that Jimmy Carter was invited to be in the Trilateral Commission by David Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brzezinski who then used Time magazine to put Carter into the White House. See what happened after that by reading http://www.truedemocracy.net/w01/3.html It's research I performed the last quarter at UCLA for a professor of political science. This link is a simplification of that research. This is history that Americans have been denied by the way.

Peace,

Arlene Johnson

Publisher/Author

http://www.truedemocracy.net

To access the rest of my work, click on the icon that says Magazine.

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"It was Kay Graham that wanted Moynihan to go after crime in the district as the city was burning from the annual riots by 69. Wanted Nixon to bring in federal troops. They used the plumbers to infiltrate heroin operations there as cover for larger Operation CHAOS activities including surveillance. "

https://2001-2009.state.gov/documents/organization/52209.pdf

para 2

https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho/frus/nixon/e1/c15659.htm

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Hunt's safe and (failed) Son Tay POW Prison Raid.

https://www.nixonfoundation.org/artifact/tape-888-conversation-4-888-004b/

Tape 888, Conversation 4 (888-004b)

Date: March 27, 1973

NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

Tape Subject Log

(rev. July-2010)

-Dealings with Hunt

-Memos from Colson

-Knowledge of break-in

-Denial

-Krogh

-Knowledge

-Investigation of leaks

-National security

-PresidentтАЩs T.V. appearance

-Importance

Wounded Knee occupation

-Shooting of US marshall

-American Indians

-Crisis

-KissingerтАЩs reaction

-Necessity for action

-Precedent setting

-Future trouble

-Blacks

-Underground groups

-Ehrlichman [?]

-Use of tear gas

-Logistics problem

-Kissinger

-Use of troops

-Size of force

-ShultzтАЩs recommendation

-Diversionary measures

-Vietnam War

-Son Tay prison raid

-Hanoi

*****************************************************************

BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6

[National security]

[Duration: 12s]

-33-

NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

Tape Subject Log

(rev. July-2010)

WEAPONS

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6

*****************************************************************

-Success of operation

-Reluctance of military

Watergate

-Evidence

-Need to control

-McCord

-Independent commission

-DeanтАЩs opinion

-Other investigation

-Kleindienst

-Meeting with Ehrlichman

-Opinion

The President and Haldeman left at 10:55 am.

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MooseMalloy's avatar

Butterfield was the USAF-CIA liaison in Australia under ambassadors Ed Clark and William Crook, both very close to LBJ. Interesting that Moynihan and Butterfield were drinking buddies.

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Matt Cloud's avatar

Yes. See Pine Gap and John McMahon. But Butterfield's relationship to Moynihan/McMahon goes back further than that, to Bay of Pigs.

"By late 1964, Butterfield was detailed to the policy directorate of war plans in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. There his duties included counterinsurgency planning and management of the program that resettled Cuban veterans of the Bay of Pigs invasion. This latter project Butterfield inherited from his new colleague at the Pentagon: Lt. Col. Alexander Haig."

https://www.commentary.org/articles/james-rosen/bob-woodwards-sins-omission/

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Gilpatric had been steering Nixon and Haldeman toward Felt in the first place, as discussed in the Oct 19, 1972 tapes, to throw Nixon off any trail that might lead to the real Deep Throat (Moynihan). See Max Holland, https://www.washingtondecoded.com/site/2009/11/richard-nixons-own-deep-throat.html. No defense of Holland intended here, but he did get that part -- that Gilpatric was pointing Haldeman/Ehrlichman/Nixon to Felt -- correct. The question is why. The answer, again, both then and now, is to throw off any identification of the real Deep Throat.

"However, in addition to being presented in sworn testimony, the Time-Gilpatric leak was alluded to during a February 16, 1973 tape-recorded meeting of President Nixon, FBI acting director Gray, and senior White House adviser John Ehrlichman, and again on February 27 during a meeting between the president and John Dean. More likely than not, Gilpatric learned about Felt from John F. Dowd, a former Cravath associate who was the full-time editorial counsel at Time in 1972."

https://www.washingtondecoded.com/site/2009/11/richard-nixons-own-deep-throat.html

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Big City's avatar

Well, Edward Jay Epstein is dead, I did get to see him coming out of the Whole Foods at 87th and Third back in July 2023, but he had people walking with him, he smiled at me and waved me off, I could not get him alone to ask about the Life Magazine article.

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John Guy's avatar

You should put all your information into book form for online access.

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Matt Cloud's avatar

I appreciate the sentiment but please realize that's like saying I should put the internet on my website. The problem in other words is too much information. Still, condensing down to a readable form is underway as the time is coming for greater public acceptance and understanding.

This is being fought on many levels, most of which so far have had to be clandestine. Correcting history is not easy.

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Jwalk's avatar

Matt Cloud, Hurry up and open your Substack please, you have the best take I have read since Ed Epstein.

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Matt Cloud's avatar

Any takers on why Bob Strauss dropped the DNC suit against Nixon, "even though the depositions in it were a main source тАФ perhaps the single best source тАФ of news about the scandal at the time," according to Sussman.

Note Strauss took over DNC after Watergate; as Connelly's man, had organized Dallas trip in '63.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?179007-1/kennedy-assassination-40th-anniversary

@2:09:40 and 2:15:40

Strauss discussing Trade Mart security arrangements.

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MooseMalloy's avatar

Maybe Strauss knew fellow Texan James McCord or Lou Russell when they were FBI agents in the 1940s. Interesting that Bob Strauss

memoir The Man to See was originally going to be ghost-written by Peter Ross Range, who was a roommate of Maxie Wells at the time of the Watergate break-ins. Range helped arrange Jimmy CarterтАЩs October 1976 Playboy interview.

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Matt Cloud's avatar

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/%28est%20pub%20date%29%20cia%20invest%5B15132508%5D.pdf

see p. 11 re Robert Bennett of Mullen & Co. having E.B. Williams "kill off" revelations of Agency affiliation in the DNC lawsuit.

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Bob Strauss knew football scout and businessman George Owen, the first husband of Maureen Dean. Maureen was a stewardess for American Airlines and worked the Dallas to Phoenix run. тАЬMoтАЭ had a rich boyfriend in Arizona for a time. Strauss owned at least one radio station in Arizona as part of his Strauss Broadcasting network. In a very interesting interview w Len Colodny, George Owen casually referred to Strauss and Cowboys owner Clint Murchison wrt to OwenтАЩs ties to mystery lady Maureen Dean that surfaced in a Maxine Cheshire column. In the interview w Colodny, Owen refers to lobbyist/fixer/bagman Irv Davidson in a scheme to influence John Dean wrt to the Jimmy Hoffa pardon.

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The Sandinistas linked Wickham and Murchinson directly to the CIA

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1986-03-14-8601160382-story.html

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https://twitter.com/JohnWDean/status/1617020913920376833

John W. Dean

@JohnWDean

WRONG!! Trucker has absolutely no idea of what he is talking about! He is playing way out of his league!

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The evidence is overwhelming that Dean ordered the break-ins, launched the coverup, destroyed and manufactured evidence, paid off Hunt and Lou Russell, used Heidi and her girls to get political dirt etc, As early as July 7, 1972 in a NYT Tad Szulc piece, Howard Hunt requested assistance from Dean. Somehow nobody picked up on that item. The funds embezzled from the WH polling fund matched payments to Lou Russell who was then living high and wide w Heidi Rikan in a Nesline owned Penthouse. Recently I came across an oral history by WH Fellow David Miller:

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Q: Today is February 3, 2003. In 1971 you had been with the Fellows Program in the White House. Whither?

MILLER: Well, there is a story as to why I went then. I was working half time for John Dean and half time as the director of the Fellows Program because they didn't really need me

to do that full-time. I had known John at the Justice Department before he moved over

to be White House Counsel. The seminal event in my departure from the White House came when John Dean asked me if I would set up a safe house here in Washington for

the use of the President. I asked John why we needed to do that. He said, тАЬWell, the President might have meetings with people that would be completely off the record and so on,тАЭ which seemed understandable. Then I said, тАЬWell, you know, the CIA does this for a living. There is no reason to have me involved in anything like this.тАЭ John said, тАЬWell, the President doesn't want the CIA involved. He wants this to be a completely covert White House operation.тАЭ I knew at that point that I was going to have to leave.

It is obvious, like so much of what Dean did, that he invoked Nixon or the name of a superior to get somebody to do his dirty work. This incident w Miller was right around the time Dean ordered Tony Ulasiwicz to case the DNC and shortly after he met with Liddy to develop an Intel plan. Dean was likely the figure who got the NY bachelor pad safe house established as mentioned in various accounts. And the Xaviera Hollander scandal erupted around that time.

http://www.loc.gov/item/mfdipbib001416

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We had Connelly running Democrats for Nixon in 72 and Strauss, a Connelly man, atop the DNC ...

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And US Ambassador to USSR at end of Soviet Union, when files were leaking over there ... (early 90s) ... Yakovlev accused of being CIA

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You're closer than you may realize. And don't lose track of Bush here, either, who comes into WH as Moynihan leaves. Then the two of them are more or less intertwined frequently at UN, with Moynihan as DCI GHWB's executive assistant in '75-'76.

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP99-01448R000401580057-9.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwXOEFK6Swo @ approx minute 25:22

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp79m00467a002700060016-0

p. 10, 13, 21

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Outstanding. McCord debriefed Powers as well.

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp88-01350r000200460018-5

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80-01601R000200190001-2.pdf

Circle here of McMahon, McCord, William Cotter ...

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp75-00001r000400130017-2

William Cotter married Virginia Alicia McMahon, a cryptanalyst at Arlington Hall (VENONA), 1949. Spousal immunity? Did Soviets know we had broken their code BEFORE so far publicly acknowledged? I.e. NOT from Weisband but from McMahon/Cotter? IMPORTANT. (Would explain need for mail opening program from '51-'73.

https://www.nytimes.com/1995/03/11/obituaries/william-cotter-74-ex-official-in-cia-and-postal-service-dies.html

https://www.nytimes.com/1949/09/04/archives/virginia-mmah___-on-bride-married-to-william-j-cotter-department-of.html

Shils called for a тАЬfunctional secrecyтАЭ that would protect the society from тАЬgenuine external danger.тАЭ[9] What he feared was secrecy that was not functional but symbolic.

[P]art of the war of fantasy which the pure and good conduct incessantly with corruption and evil until the Last Judgment. The secrecy demanded by ideological extremism in the United States and in Soviet Russia, in Soviet China and in the Soviet satellites is not connected with national security except by the occasion which crises provide for fanatics to focus their excited fantasies.[10]

What Shils did not know, something none of us knew until John M. Deutch in his role as Director of Central Intelligence and a member of the Secrecy Commission made the archive public, was that the United States had by then intercepted and decrypted the text of Soviet cables going back to World War II: the VENONA project. The first such cable was broken by Meredith Gardener in a requisitioned girlsтАЩ school, Arlington Hall, not far from the Pentagon on December 20, 1946. It contained a list of the principal scientists at Los Alamos. Looking over GardnerтАЩs shoulder was one William W. Weisband, an Army corporal, a cipher clerk, a spy. By the time Shils published (1956) the United States military and law enforcement agencies knew all about the Soviet attack, or all that they needed to know, and had pretty much rolled up the entire operation.

https://politicalanthro.wordpress.com/the-science-of-secrecy-daniel-patrick-moynihan/

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...because the dems used the office to buy hookers and order mob hits? I thought EVERYONE knew that as we in the JBS do.

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Presidential Records Act/Archives/NARA.

https://www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/2017/nr17-14

Press Release ┬╖

Monday, December 5, 2016

"Before joining the Department of Justice in November 2000, he served as Senator Daniel Patrick MoynihanтАЩs legislative assistant for foreign affairs and intelligence matters and as his last legislative director. He co-drafted the legislation that established the Public Interest Declassification Board."

https://federalnewsnetwork.com/open-datatransparency/2022/11/isoo-director-to-step-down-next-summer/

Nov. 3, 2022: "ISOO director to step down next summer."

When were those classified docs at Biden's found? Nov. 2?

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Biden classified doc "discovery" has now served its purpose: to shut down enquiry into the Trump raid.

DOJ reserves right to not cooperate with certain House GOP requests

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/20/doj-gop-house-investigations-00078805

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/whatever-happened-to-the-trump-classified-documents-damage-assessment

"... We have come a long way from those days of frenzied speculation in August 2022 when the news was that the nation's intelligence mavens would conduct a "damage assessment" of the Mar-a-Lago situation. Now, with the benefit of months of experience and hindsight, we know...nothing."

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"The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand."

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https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp86b00885r000800990007-4

"FYI: Thought you and your source might be interested in the attached extract from John's open hearing. This was John's response to Biden that I mentioned. who walked into the hearing with John was Vicky Toensing, SSCI Counsel."

Seeing where this goes?

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With Trump and Biden both trapped in secret document scandals, we're witnessing the self-destruction of the Secrecy system, like Hal9000 in Kubrick's 2001, conflicted by its programming instructions to process information accurately on the one hand and lie and cover-up on the other.

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/biden-trump-classified-documents-moynihan/

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Once you understand that Moynihan was Deep Throat and, more importantly, that he was John N. McMahon, you've unlocked the vault.

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Ret's avatar

Surely this is some ChatGPT-like bot posting nonsense claiming Moynihan & McMahon are the same guy. Heck, you're not even using the term 'cut out' correctly.

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Historically they did not care who won the election since they controlled both parties(Rinos) from the top.

America is "ruled by a single political party:

The CFR has only 3000 members yet they control over three-quarters of the nation's wealth. The CFR runs the State Department and the CIA. The CFR has placed 100 CFR members in every Presidential Administration and cabinet since Woodrow Wilson.

The Council Of Foreign Relations has gained a virtual lock-hold on the U.S. government, regardless of which party is in office. No other organization comes close to boasting the kind of clout that the CFR members have held:

Eight presidents of the U.S.; seven vice presidents; 17 secretaries of state; 20 secretaries of war/defense; 18 secretaries of the Treasury; 15 directors of the CIA. And it has gone throughout the Cabinets, in seriatim тАФ through Democrat and Republican administrations тАФ with hundreds of deputy secretaries, assistant secretaries, etc.

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_cfr.htm

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_cfr_00.htm

They work together to misinform the President to act in the best interest of the CFR not the best interest of the American People. At least five Presidents (Eisenhower, Ford, Carter, Bush, and Clinton) have been members of the CFR. The CFR has packed every Supreme court with CFR insiders.

The CFR Group on the Biden Team :

Historically they did not care who one the election since they controlled both parties(Rinos) from the top.

Kamala Harris, Vice President (CFR through family; Harvard; DLA Piper; Uber through family)

Antony Blinken, Secretary of State (CFR member; Harvard and Columbia; WestExec)

Janet Yellen, Secretary of the Treasury (CFR member; Yale and Harvard; Brookings)

Lloyd Austin, Secretary of Defense (CFR member; WestExec; Raytheon)

Linda Thomas-Greenfield, UN Ambassador (CFR member; Albright Stonebridge)

Cecilia Rouse, Council of Economic Advisors (CFR director; Princeton; Rowe Price)

Alejandro Mayorkas, Secretary of Homeland Security (CFR member; Wilmer Hale)

Jake Sullivan, National Security Advisor (CFR author; Yale and O

Ron Klain, Chief of Staff (CFR through family; Harvard; OтАЩMelvOxford; Carnegie)eny and Meyers)

John Kerry, Special Envoy for Climate (CFR member; Yale)

Susan Rice, Chief of Domestic Council (CFR member; Harvard, Oxford, and Stanford)

William J. Burns, Director of Central Intelligence (CFR member; Oxford; Carnegie)

Kurt M. Campbell, Indo-Pacific Tsar (CFR member; Harvard and Oxford; Asia Group)

Thomas Vilsack, Secretary of Agriculture (CFR member; Dairy Export Council)

Gina Raimondo, Secretary of Commerce (CFR member; Oxford; Point Judith Capital)

Eric S. Lander, Director of Office of Science and Technology (CFR member; Harvard)

Jeffery Zients, Counselor to the President (CFR member; Cranemere)

https://monthlyreview.org/2021/05/01/the-council-on-foreign-relations-the-biden-team-and-key-policy-outcomes/

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Below is a list of the Council on Foreign Relations members in the last three Presidential administrations, including Cabinet members, advisers and nominations.

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President Barack Obama (Democrat)

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John Kerry тАУ Secretary of State (Teresa Heinz Kerry wife of John Kerry is also CFR member)

Timothy Geithner тАУ Secretary of Treasury

Jacob J (Jack) Lew тАУ Secretary of Treasury

Robert Gates тАУ Secretary of Defense

Chuck Hagel тАУ Secretary of Defense (resigned)

Ashton Carter тАУ Secretary of Defense

Tom Vilsack тАУ Secretary of Agriculture

John Bryson тАУ Secretary of Commerce

Penny Pritzker тАУ Secretary of Commerce

Sylvia Burwell тАУ Secretary of Health and Human Services

Ernest Moniz тАУ Secretary of Energy

Janet Napolitano тАУ CFR Staff bio тАУ Secretary of Homeland Security

Jeh Charles Johnson тАУ Secretary of Homeland Security

William Daley тАУ Chief of Staff

Peter Orszag тАУ Director of Office of Management and Budget

Susan Rice тАУ Ambassador to the UN (prior member Trilateral Commission)

Michael Froman тАУ US Trade Representative

Michael Chertoff тАУ US Secretary of Homeland Security (Trilateral Commission member)

Thomas E. Donilon тАУ National Security Adviser (Bilderberg Group)

Cecilia Rouse тАУ Council of Economic Advisers

David Howell Petraeus тАУ 4 star Army General, Director of the CIA 2011 тАУ 2012 (resigned), Commander of United States Central Command 2008 тАУ 2010, Commander of the International Security Assistance Force

Janet Louise Yellen тАУ Chair of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System nominated by Barack Obama

Paul A. Volcker тАУ Chair of the PresidentтАЩs Economic Recovery Advisory Board, prior Chair of Federal Reserve тАУ (member Trilateral Commission)

Henry Kissinger тАУ Secretary of State for President Richard Nixon, adviser to every President since, and a close friend and adviser to Hillary Clinton.

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President George W Bush (Republican)

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Richard (Dick) Cheney тАУ Vice President

Steve Preston тАУ Secretary of Housing and Urban Development

Henry Paulson тАУ Secretary of the Treasury (and worked at Goldman Sachs Founders corporate member)

Robert Gates тАУ Secretary of Defense

Mary Ann Peters тАУ Secretary of Transportation

Condoleeza Rice тАУ Secretary of State

Tommy G. Thompson тАУ Secretary of Health and Human Services

Elaine L Chao тАУ Secretary of Labor

Colin Powell тАУ Secretary of State

Susan C. Schwab тАУ US Trade Representative

Robert Zoellick тАУ US Trade Representative (also Trilateral Commission) тАУ been President of The World Bank, also a managing director of Goldman Sachs, steering committee Bilderberg Group (was a Deputy Secretary of State)

Michael Chertoff тАУ US Secretary of Homeland Security (Trilateral Commission member)

Richard Holbrook тАУ United States Special Envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan (Bilderberg Group)

John Wolfowitz тАУ United States Deputy Secretary of Defense (Bilderberg Group) тАУ President The World Bank

Karen Parfitt Hughes тАУ Councilor to the President

John Bolton тАУ US Ambassador to the United Nations

Brent Scowcroft тАУ United States National Security Advisor

Marc Alexander Thiessen тАУ Speech writer for GWB

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President Bill Clinton (Democrat)

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Bill Clinton тАУ President (current member 2016)

Chelsea Clinton тАУ daughter (current member 2016)

Note: not listed as a member, speaks at meetings and called New York City branch тАЬThe MothershipтАЭ. Hillary Clinton тАУ First Lady to President Clinton, Senator, ran for President twice

Lawrence Summers тАУ Secretary of Treasury (also member Trilateral Commission)

Togo D. West тАУ Secretary of Veteran Affairs

William B. Richardson тАУ Secretary of Energy

William M. Daley тАУ Secretary of Commerce

Madeleine Albright тАУ Director Emerita CFR тАУ Secretary of State (also member Trilateral Commission)

William Cohen тАУ Secretary of Defense

Federico F. Pe├▒a тАУ Secretary of Energy, Secretary of Transportation

Mickey Kantor тАУ Secretary of Commerce, US Trade Representative

Daniel Glickman тАУ Secretary of Agriculture

Robert Rubin тАУ CFR staff bio тАУ Secretary of the Treasury

William J. Perry тАУ Secretary of Defense

Donna Shalala тАУ Secretary of Health and Human Services

Charlene Barshefsky тАУ US Trade Representative

Lloyd Bentsen (deceased past member тАУ no longer listed)

Richard Holbrook тАУ United States Ambassador to the United Nations (Bilderberg Group)

George Stephanopoulos тАУ White House Director of Communications, Senior Adviser to the President (now major media pundit)

Sidney Blumenthal тАУ Senior Adviser to the President

Rahm Emanuel тАУ Senior Adviser to the President (not listed as CFR member, but his brother, Ezekiel Jonathan тАЬZekeтАЭ, is a member) (later Mayor of Chicago where Barack Obama was from)

Cecilia Rouse тАУ National Economic Council 1998 to 1999

Zo├л Baird тАУ CFR Staff bio тАУ nominated by President Bill Clinton as the first woman to be Attorney General of the United States, but she withdrew her nomination over тАЬnannygateтАЭ

Bobby Inman тАУ nominated by President Bill Clinton for Secretary of Defense, but he withdrew from consideration

Stephen Gerald Breyer тАУ US Supreme Court Justice nominated

Vernon Jordan тАУ Presidential adviser..

Links:..for each person found here.

http://www.rummagingglobalism.com/2017/01/19/cfr-members-in-past-presidential-administrations/

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Elaborate.

cutout

noun

cut┬╖тАЛout ╦Иk╔Щt-╦Мau╠Зt

3

: an intermediary in a clandestine operation

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cutout

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Buchanan stayed loyal to his old school mate R Spencer Oliver and his buddies in the CIA-sponsored American Council of Young Political Leaders like Maxie Wells mentor Hodding Carter.

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"Chris Whipple, who wrote a book about WH chiefs of staff, said Klain ranks among 'the best chiefs in recent history,' putting him in the same category as James Baker, for Ronald Reagan, and Leon Panetta, who held the job under Bill Clinton."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/01/21/ron-klain-white-house-chief-staff-plans-step-down/

#PANICINDC

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"By 1971, Nixon's staff were receiving a cursory intelligence report from Haldeman's assistant, Gordon C. Strachan; Strachan's reports essentially collated information about political rallies and campaign groups that had already been gathered by the police and the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Nixon's initial re-election bid had already involved planting rumors and false information about his opponents as a dedicated strategy; these tactics had been dubbed "political hardball" by Nixon's opposition researcher, Pat Buchanan."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sandwedge

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You mean you're a real person who can have a real conversation instead of just ChatGPT-like bot? In the same post you said it was a cover, then you use slash between their names like they're the same person, followed by a similar pattern using parentheticals. Moynihan & McMahon - 100% two separate people, and both extensively knew who the other person was, who they worked for, etc. Zero evidence either was deep throat, let alone both being deep throat. I'm still not convinced you're not a bot.

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The question why are you trusting the CIA?

Operation Mockingbird......CIA the Gatekeeper of the media.

See Senate Report 94-755: The Church Committee was the United States Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities.

The CIA began a secret project called Operation Mockingbird, with the intent of buying influence behind the scenes at major media outlets and putting reporters on the CIA payroll, which has proven to be a stunning ongoing success.

The CIA effort to recruit American news organizations and journalists to become spies and disseminators of propaganda, was headed up by Frank Wisner, Allen Dulles, Richard Helms, and Philip Graham (publisher of The Washington Post). Wisner had taken Graham under his wing to direct the program code-named Operation Mockingbird and both have presumably committed suicide.

CIA Media assets will eventually include ABC, NBC, CBS, Time, Newsweek, Associated Press, United Press International (UPI), Reuters, Hearst Newspapers, Scripps-Howard, Copley News Service, etc. and 400 journalists, who have secretly carried out assignments according to documents on file at CIA headquarters, from intelligence-gathering to serving as go-betweens.

Source links:

https://archive.org/details/finalreportofsel03unit/page/n3/mode/2up?view=theater

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/94755_I.

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/94755_I

https://allnewspipeline.com/Operation_Mockingbird_Still_At_Play.php

Operation Mockingbird Still At Play - New Report Shows Spy Agencies Still Control Media Content And Allowed To Disseminate Fake News Without Verification Or

Confirmation.

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As I said to that other troll on here: ask direct questions and you will get direct answers.

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Folks, don't feed the bots.

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Jwalk's avatar

Was your shared tutor John Taylor Gatto?

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Get out!

I see Epstein on the Upper East Side from time to time out on the sidewalk or in the subway, someday I will get the balls to say hello, I don't like to disturb.

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Ask him why his account of of his 1986 LIFE magazine piece on Yurchenko, as posted on his website, is so different from what LIFE put out on newsstands. (No mention of McMahon in the latter.)

https://www.edwardjayepstein.com/archived/spy2.htm

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Just reread this link, I will! I will be on him like white on rice and get back to you!

Great job, I read all your posts here, just great work, thank you!

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Note however that as this page is "blowing up" according to RS, I expect cover denials are being frantically prepared as we type. And, difficult for many, even those wishing to do so, to turn around and say the history they offered then was a lie. To say nothing of their security clearance agreements. Those who know CANNOT say. Highest classification. "Nuclear" secrets.

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You might say there would be a lot of very pissed-off people, on all sides, at all levels.

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Ben Wickham. a CIA station chief in Managua тАШ82-84 who was enmeshed in this and quit the CIA to work w Oliver North has quite a background with involvement in things like Watergate, Iran w Helms, aide to Casey and Iran-Contra and even the 2016 campaign. His wife Julie Schlessinger was a secretary to DNC chair Lawrence OтАЩBrien 1970-73 and was named as a member,of the DNC call-girl ring by Philip Mackin Bailley in interviews w Phil Stanford and Len Colodny and probably Jim Hougan.

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Here's the newsstand version of the LIFE piece by Epstein on Yurchenko: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP90-00965R000301860001-6.pdf

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Thank you!

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@Jwalk:

"So, trapped in Roosevelt House, I sat in the garden with Pat, and, over a few beers, had a discussion about the evolution of drug policy under Nixon. Pat said that when he joined the Nixon's Administration in 1969, "the country was mesmerized with urban riots and street crime. They [Ehrlichman and Halderman] were also talking about a heroin epidemic they thought was about to explode. So they sent me to Turkey and France to look into the supply route. I came back and told Nixon we could temporarily disrupt the supply. I was surprised an anyone when they turned my suggestion into the war on heroin."

Moynihan suggested that the White House take a more direct role in the treaty negotiations in Turkey, even if it meant recalling the ambassador. "The next thing I know people in the White House were threatening Turkey."

He said he was now getting telegrams from "the boy scouts in the White House" telling him shut down the production of opium in India. "Its idiotic," he explained. Although India was the world's largest producer of opium, it went to pharmaceutical companies to manufacture codeine. Codeine was an anti tussac. "If they shut down Indian opium, they are going to cause a global coughing crises."

https://www.edwardjayepstein.com/diary/moynihan.htm

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HBrown's avatar

What is the first name of the Moynihan you refer to?

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What's the point if you can't figure that out on your own?

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